The political pressure group Unite Against Fascism (UAF) was formed in 2003 primarily by the National Assembly Against Racism and the Socialist Workers Party of Britain to campaign against fascist organisations like the British National Party (BNP) which are fascist/racist in nature. The UAF was formed in the wake of growing political support for the […]
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>>>You can not defend democracy from fascism by using fascist tactics against fascists! If you try to, does that not make you a fascist?<<<
No.
a) Fascism is a specific ideology, not simply preventing someone speaking to the media
b) Fascists want to end democracy, so therefore it is pretty odd defending their right to deny others' rights.
c) Was it wrong for Jews to deploy violence against the Nazis? I say no, because the Nazis were violent and they were trying to take away their rights (if we are talking about before Hitler closed down all democratic mechanisms). It is an act of self-defence.
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The UAF got David Cameron wrote all over it
You are using an ends justify the means argument and in a democracy like ours it doesn’t hold water, if we can use violence against BNP supporters to ‘shut them up’ why not against other groups who disagree with the government?
Who decides which groups in society can speak their views openly and who can not?
Our democracy is strong, there’s no way people like Nick Griffin even if he becomes and MP next year are ever going to change the way this country runs in the short to medium term (long term who knows what will happen).
Yes, we should learn from history, but if we go down the road of stripping away the BNP’s right to express their beliefs in a democratic and non-violent way we are no better than those who would take away our democratic freedoms: just like Nick Griffin has spoke about in the recent past like controlling the British media! The UAF also wanted to control the BBC and stop Nick Griffin appearing on Question Time, how is that any different to what Nick Griffin plans to do?
Every time the UAF resorts to violence it gives the BNP positive press in the media, why are British people not allowed to hear from democratically elected MEP’s and those planning to stand as MP’s etc…?
Nick Griffin got on Question Time which according to those who support the UAF would mean the BNP will generate masses of support, yet the BNP lost their deposit in the last by-election! Clearly the support has not materialised yet.
If the BNP can’t muster enough support to even get their deposit back when the country is going through a deep recession, increasing unemployment, immigration concerns like never before, MP’s and bankers are perceived as fat cats who take, take, take and we are loosing British soldiers in a war many feel is unjust, what chance do the BNP have as we pull out of recession etc….?
BTW Do not vote BNP they want to strip us of our freedoms.
David
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David,
How do you know what the BNP want?
Read their policies, that is as much information that you can possibly have about what they want, unless you are psychic, or paranoid.
Your comments about the UAF are fully justified, they are more of a threat to democracy than the BNP.
PS why can’t we edit mistakes after posting?
Damnation!
WordPress (software the site runs under) doesn’t allow editing of ‘guest’ comments by the guest. I’d love to be able to open this site up to registered users so they can edit their own comments, but WordPress gives either too much or not enough access to registered users!
There’s no option to give a person just access to edit their own comments, the options are:
* Administrator – Somebody who has access to all the administration features
* Editor – Somebody who can publish posts, manage posts as well as manage other people’s posts, etc.
* Author – Somebody who can publish and manage their own posts
* Contributor – Somebody who can write and manage their posts but not publish posts
* Subscriber – Somebody who can read comments/comment/receive news letters, etc.
Subscriber is the closest, but lacks comment editing ability, so it’s no better than what you get now since the site is fully open to everyone to read everything.
So no option to allow editing of your own comments unfortunatly. If you’ve made a mistake drop a comment below it and I’ll make the change and delete the “I’ve made a mistake” comment :-)
David
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I ‘know’ what the BNP have planned based on what Nick Griffin has said in the past. For example the video where he says he wants to control the British media:
Nick Griffin said “when we control the British broadcasting media”.
The Labour party who have been in government quite sometime now clearly do not control the British broadcasting media, so what did Nick Griffin mean by that?
No political party should even attempt to control the British broadcasting media, beyond providing information that each news outlet have the option to (or not) use. So how are the BNP going to control the BBC for example and how is that democratic?
David
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every one in Britain knows bbc=kgb controlled by the liebour gestapo
Vote Liebour or Hitler Admirers (BNP), you decide?
I don’t find it helpful when commenter’s lower the quality of their comments by changing a parties name to degrade that political party: your use of the word Liebour in place of Labour.
Since you are a BNP supporter every time you use the term Liebour I’ll post something negative about the British National Party, AKA the British Nazi Party below your comment with the same approach you use Terence.
It’s childish I know, but I get the impression it’s the only sort of approach you’d understand. Fight fire with fire.
British National Party Officials Admire Adolf Hitler!
Mark Collett when the BNP youth leader stated his admiration for Adolf Hitler, saying “I’d never say this on camera, the Jews have been thrown out of every country including England. It’s not just persecution. There’s no smoke without fire.” Some visitors to the party’s annual “Red White and Blue” festival, wore the legend “88” (code for HH, “Heil Hitler”) on shirts. Collett resigned from the party after the documentaries filming, but rejoined shortly afterwards, with Griffin’s approval, on the condition that Collett change his views on the subject.
Mark Collett is currently (December 2009) the BNP’s head of publicity, what a dick head to admire a mass murderer and anti-semitic nutter like Hitler. If the BNP have shed their anti-semitic and Nazi (National Front) roots, why is this man still part of the British National Party? It draws me to the conclusion the BNP have more in common with World War 2 Nazi War criminals than today’s hard working British, multi-cultural working class.
David
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“every one in Britain knows bbc=kgb controlled by the liebour gestapo”
Holly crap Terence is there NOTHING that isn’t a conspiracy in the minds of the BNP?
Man I can see where they’ll be loosing a tonne of votes I should just print off your comments and let people read them they’ll soon the the BNP as a bunch of nutters.
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What a load of crap! the BNP are a none violent political party Unlike The IRA! Uaf labour /and Islamic extremists.true the odd lunatic has attached themselves to the BNP but 98% of the BNP are not violent and do not support violence in any form!When nick griffin was asked could the BNP have a military wing like the IRA for defense.The reply was a resounding NO! the BNP are none violent in any way nor do they demonstrate! except at injustice to members
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the thing is the bnp are not fascist ! so any attack or violence towards them must be seen as a violent disorder . all the rhetorical to wards the BNP is the result of communist propaganda! all parties have racists in them the worst thing to have is communism! that is the enemy of democracy !!
The only effective weapon against fascism is art
worst than fascism is communism ,the British destroyed the Nazis and fascist,second world war! were we failed was not fighting communism now we are paying the price! the Commies have killed more people in the world than any other political party ever! they have committed genocide on a massive scale yet no one utters a word why?? because they are in power they control us your attention is being diverted by the pushing of the lesser evil of fascism this is the danger we are in!
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Whether you agree with the UAF’s ‘argument’ or not, can you honestly say that there is room for pathetic (and pretty smelly) mobs to run the country?
A huge group of idiots waving banners repeating the same nonsense over and over again is not going to stop the BNP. It’s as stupid as trying to solve the world terror problems by invading the countries worst effected… Oh, wait!
You can’t stop a movement with violent outbursts; you have to find out what’s causing the problems. And personally, it was seeing a UAF riot that made me finally decide to support the BNP 100%
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That is not a policy statement on the website.
He may have been referring to the control excercised by any government over any organisation.
Like, for example, control of licence fees, broadcasting standards, etc.
You say little or nothing about the policies they are standing for election on, the ones on their web pages.
My Christian brethren can find nothing wrong with them, but deplore your continued display of rabid hatred. You should calm down a little.
After all, you have no basis for your hatred, since they stand no chance of winning. Or do they?
Christians Unite, vote BNP.
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But of course we all know that the EDL is nothing to do with the BNP, unlike the violent so called antifacsist group UAF which lists David Cameron among its many MP sponsers
I do like the way you try to connect people like the UAF with Cameron using a story from the BNP website, what does a story on the BNP website prove … oh yeah SOD all really.
So you think the BNP don’t make up stories? (damn dream on), if the BNP had real evidence rather than YET ANOTHER conspiracy theory i’m sure it would be all over the press.
But guess what they have no evidence that’s why the press isn’t climbing all over the Non-Story.
And besides don’t they claim that Labour/LibDem and Tories fund it?
Oh hang on NO according the the article you quote
“The violence is being organised by the Labour Party front group UAF (Unite Against Fascism). At least 57 MPs are named on the UAF’s website as sponsors, and supporters of its thuggery.”
The Labour Party fund and organise it ….. welll FAILED then really.
Come on even you have the intelligence to know that the three main parties would NOT run the risk of paying for this kind os stuff, what do you think the public would say if it ever turned out to be true?
Come on this is Britain not Russia in the KGB times. All it shows is the BNP are so desperate to make shit up and as per NORMAL with the BNP they can offer NO/ZERO factual evidence to back it uo AT ALL.
Yet the BNP Sucker Supporters lap it all up like Griffin is the new Jesus or something, he is’t the reborn christ he lies, cheats and screws people over to get what he wants.
Search for the Griffin file on the internet written by his BNP ex leader J Tyndall and see exactly what the real Nick Griffin is like, then decide if he would NOT make shit up?
Even the National Front can’t stand the man, even they call him a liar and they are fellow British Nationalists, a party Griffin used to belong to as well.
heck it out for yourself it’s called the Griffin File by John Tyndall.
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Let me help you out a bit:
The Griffin File can be read here:
Well I see you made up the story about the imaginary link between the BNP and the EDL.
You also say
Come on this is Britain not Russia in the KGB times.
Then why are LibLabCons continually pushing political correctness on us as a means of suppressing free speech
For those that don’t know 2Plitical Correctness” was developed at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany, which was founded in 1923 and came to be known as the “Frankfurt School.” It was a group of thinkers who pulled together to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia.
The problem? Why wasn’t communism spreading?
Their answer? Because Western Civilization was in its way.
What was the problem with Western Civilization? Its belief in the individual, that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing.
And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help (or force, if necessary) Western Civilization to destroy itself. How to do that? Undermine its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals.
One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalizing your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices.
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My actual quote was
“As many people seem to say that the group the EDL English Defence League is a part of the BNP (to use the words the BNP use) a front, I thought you’d like to see there version of peacful demonstration:”
I also did not post any liks to websites in some attempt to justify the comment, in fact it was just a general comment made against comments I have read and geard in the past.
So I was not actually trying to offer any fact based evidence, just showing “”As many people seem to say” far from attempting to prove ANYTHING, big difference.
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Well thanks for showing me more about the UAF and people that support the organisation, it seems that the BNP may have just help me open my eyes to something new.
But maybe they shouldn’t have been so keen to advertise for the UAF as it does seem like something I could actually support considering the sheer numbers of people companies and bands etc that support the cause.
Maybe I could even get behind them myself, little bit more looking I feel I have a few more questions I’d liked answered but, it seem endorsements from decent people could sway my opinion on the cause.
After all they too are committed to ensuring that the BNP and parties like it don’t get elected in to Westminster, which is something I whole heartedly support anyway.
Thanks BNP people !!!!! (although i’m sure you are not happy with the fact that you haven’t shown me ANY reason to support the BNP) but that was already going to be a hard job as I have read digested and investigated all I need to investigate as far as the BNP are concerned and made a decission a VERY long time ago that the likes of Nick Griffin, Mark Collette, Lee Barnes and the rest HAVE NO PLACE in British Politics, but on the other hand I may (I express MAY) be able to get behind the UAF in their desire to also stop the BNP gaining MP’s seems like a good cause to me.
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I couldn’t support a political group who’s members throw eggs at elected MEP’s in the name of that political group!
I don’t like what the BNP stands for, I don’t like what I’ve learnt about Nick Griffin, but he’s a democratically elected MEP and in the UK should be able to safely speak to the media outside the houses of parliament without risk to his safety!
Did those who run the UAF condone the egg throwing and violence afterwards (did they support it)? And/or do something about it like expel those responsible (if members of the UAF)?
Protest YES, violent protest NO.
David
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Actually David those are the exact same questions I have been asking, I don’t condone violence in ANY way what so ever.
However it is also part of being in the political spotligt, it could have been anyone throwing an egg, as has been the case in many incidents i.e. The paint job someone did on Mandelson, and many politicians have had eggs thrown at them etc.
So in some cases it comes with the job you want to do, if you can’t take it then should you really be in politics?
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UAF do not appear to be apologetic for the egg throwing that has gone down in their name:http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=90701
“Our activists successfully disrupted Griffin’s attempts to hold a victory press conference outside the Houses of Parliament on 9 June. He was also chased around Manchester the next day, being eventually forced to hold his press conference in a pub owned by a BNP supporter.”
No mention of eggs or violence.
I’ve emailed the UAF and if they respond will pass on what they say about it.
David
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We emailed the UAF to comment on the disgraceful attitude towards democracy, and the fact that such anti-democratic views were held by so many of our MPs.
I suggested that they fight the BNP in the ballot box, in accord with the democratic principles that the rest of the country is encouraged to embrace, rather than display a fascist attitude on the streets.
They did not reply.
They are actually the best recruiting agents the BNP could ask for. I would rather have the BNP than be governed by people like the UAF – but regretably, many of the UAF are MPs, already in government..
So much for democracy in Britain.
Vote BNP.
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And the BNP are oh so democratic then:
If you don’t do National Service you WON’T be allowed to vote, such a democratic party the BNP are.
Pot kettle and black spring to mind
They like eggs, the UAF.
Muslim thugs are Warsicase scenario
https://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/
Vote BNP
Save Britain
The diatribe of your investigative analysis concerning the BNP political policies is good enough
reason for me to vote for them.
You may be well meaning, but as far I’m concerned
you’re just another liberal following the status quo, trying to justify that what you believe in
is best pratice for all.
We all know it will be business as usual, whichever
party wins the election, including the BNP.
Political policies of all parties fail to get implemented because of this and that man made laws.
The difference of the BNP is our right wing guts
to challenge that establishment in an effort to
change the laws, by concensus of the people, so we
can implement those very BNP policies so many of us
are craving for. This of course is illusion, but it
is a faith of kind and we will strive to make it our
reality.
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Cameron lost my vote when i found out last year that he supports and funds these UAF thugs.This group are supposed to be against facism yet are the most violent,anti-free speech organisation that i know of.