The town of Wootton Bassett is associated with honouring soldiers killed in Afghanistan, every time a fallen soldier returns home the town comes out in force to honor our loss. Very patriotic and no matter how you feel about the Afghanistan war what happens in Wootton Bassett is a very moving event. Makes me proud […]
Continue Reading Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton Bassett March Poll
Two questions:
1. If everyone is saying that Anjem Choudary is barking mad and totally unrepresentative of “Peaceful Moslems” – then why is he the Chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers and why is he a Judge of the Shariah Court of the UK?
2. David Cameron is still listed as a signatory to the ultra-violent, anti-democratic, and Socialist Worker Party front organisation, the “UAF”.
So if the blatant anti-British provocation of a march by Islam4UK goes ahead in Wootton Bassett, and it is opposed by every decent British person who can get there, who in turn will be violently opposed by the “UAF” gang, which side will Cameron be on?
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I know it’s only Wiki but it does throw a different stance on what you said:
“He is a qualified solicitor and chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers, although he was removed from the roll in 2002. He has also claimed to be a “judge” of the “Shari’ah Court of the UK”,[1] alongside Omar Bakri;[2] although neither men are officials of the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, the only legally binding sharia courts in the UK.”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary
As for David Cameron he has already made his position clear on this march
“Conservative leader David Cameron, speaking on a visit to the West Country, said he thought the march idea was “completely unacceptable”.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wiltshire/8438915.stm
So I think that answers the questions about David Cameron’s position.
As for the UAF well they are also a small group of no real significance as far as I can see, but I do agree that they should make their position clear (and hopefully they too will NOT support it)
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The alacrity with which you respond to every comment on this site VNTBNP, could lead some to claim that you are merely a paid stooge of the CONServative Party. Being a polite and open-minded lady, of course, I would personally never suggest such a thing.
Anyway, thank you for your speedy and confirmatory research at Wiki on Choudary and for providing the sourcing for my previous statement about this fanatic.
As far as Chameleon Dave is concerned, I notice that you studiously avoided the Tory toff’s connection to the marxist “UAF”. (Btw: why is the Tory leader supporting a body run by communists?)
The fact of the matter is, should this anti-British march go ahead there will be many people opposing it in WB. Consequently, the well-known islamic appeasers and dhimmis of the “UAF” will turn out in support of Choudary (all in the name of opposing “fascism”, of course) and they will in their own inimitable style cause YET another violent riot on the streets of Britain. So my question still remains: Will Cameron as a signatory of the “UAF” stand shoulder to shoulder with them in their fearless fight against “fascism”, or will he side with the 99.9% of the British people who will be opposed to Islam4UK/”UAF”?
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“Conservative leader David Cameron, speaking on a visit to the West Country, said he thought the march idea was “completely unacceptable”.
So in your opinion “completely unacceptable” doesn’t clearly say he would be against it?
And thanks for showing you are just another standard BNP type who when shown alternative opinions or sources of information you resort to standard stuff.
“The alacrity with which you respond to every comment on this site VNTBNP, could lead some to claim that you are merely a paid stooge of the CONServative Party”
I mean from reading some of your other posts I thought you had better debating ability than that really.
But I do have to say I do love reading such comments as I’m sure they go down well with the normal voters who can clearly see from comments like that that the BNP supporters (and party) believe that EVERYONE who doesn’t agree with every statement they make is somehow linked directly to or in this instance paid by another party just to disagree with you.
Makes you look really sane and supportable.
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VNTBNP: “But I do have to say I do love reading such comments as I’m sure they go down well with the normal voters who can clearly see from comments like that that the BNP supporters (and party) believe that EVERYONE who doesn’t agree with every statement they make is somehow linked directly to or in this instance paid by another party just to disagree with you. Makes you look really sane and supportable.”
Point proved – unable to answer direct questions; resorts to ad hominems and makes unjustified and unprovable assumptions.
VNTBNP: “Well as you can probably expect (unless of course as you and other try to claim I am paid by the Tories to speak badly of the BNP) I personally don’t know David Cameron or the way his mind works blahblahblahblahblah.”
Resident know-all – major fail; splutters into incoherence up a verbal cul-de-sac and DOESN’T have the answer.
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So just because I choice to vote for the Tories you expect me to know every detail about why David Cameron should choose to support the UAF?
How ridiculous is that, that’s like me saying because you support the BNP therefore you should be able to tell me every detail about why Nick Griffin believed all those years ago the Holocaust didn’t happen, you couldn’t answer that and I wouldn’t expect you to be able to answer for what someone thinks in their own mind, yet because I vote Tory you expect me to have all the answers.
So let me ask you a question as a BNP voter can you explain to me why the BNP have filled unacceptable accounts for 2 years in a row?
I bet the answer is you don’t know the details (and why should you) as I don’t know the details of why a person should choice to sign up as a supporter of the UAF.
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Sorry VNTBNP, I also meant to have asked you to clarify why Cameron is a supporter of the “UAF” when, as you say, “they are also a small group of no real significance”? Does he have so much time on his hands that he can afford to associate himself (and as a result, the Tory Party) with bodies of “no significance” or does he just attach himself (and as a result, the Tory Party) to any grouping that he thinks will give him a few more votes?
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Well as you can probably expect (unless of course as you and other try to claim I am paid by the Tories to speak badly of the BNP) I personally don’t know David Cameron or the way his mind works so why he has signed up as a supporter of the UAF I cannot answer that one it’s something you would have to ask the party rather than me as a mere voter I cannot decide what the party does and doesn’t do.
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But I will add this I personally DON’T support the UAF, I think there general message is a good one what I don’t support is the way they go about delivering that message.
But as I am anti-BNP that statement will mean nothing as has been proven on this site many times before, every time I state that the BNP supporters DON’T believe is because in their opinion because I don’t support the BNP I am automatically a member of the UAF which happens every time along with being a searchlight supporter etc.
It is about time the BNP supporters frankly changed their tactics and started seeing people as people and stop assuming that just because they disagree with them and their policies they are automatically UAF/Searchlight and all the other terms the BNP love to throw about.
You all scream at the non BNP voters to wake up, don’t you think it’s about time you woke up and stopped just making the assumption that people that don’t support the BNP are part of these other groups and have it in for the BNP.
That’s one of the reasons it will take YEARS for the BNP to get anywhere in mainstream British politics because they can’t accept peoples right to have their own opinions.
But having said that a least we have BNP supporters like UK Forever who is more than capable of offering up debatable points without resorting to this tyoe of standard stuff, and he is at least willing to take on board other people views and reasons for who they choice to support.
If only there were more people like him using sites like this the debate would be far more interesting and be lifted out of the gutter of standard boring play ground attempts.
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An excellent video from YouTube to Islam4UK
The BNP supporters on my site are really beginning to piss me off. Above is a YouTube video with a compelling message in song and had any of the 11 BNP supporters that thumbed the comment down had gone to the trouble of listening to the video they’d have ‘read’ this:
So do those 11 BNP supporters not agree with the sentiments above are you against British service men and women as well now?
Note I’m sure it’s BNP supporters who have done this and not Islam4UK supporters since in the poll on this page only 13 have voted the March shouldn’t be banned. That would be much higher if Islam4UK had widespread support and/or they’d found this poll (the latter is definitely not true).
The BNP supporters reading my site hate the commenter Vote No To BNP, that’s why they voted his comment down, (they vote ALL his comments down) not for any other reason. They assume it’s going to be anti BNP and thumb it down.
Fine, I’ve changed the settings of the comment rating plugin, now visitors can only vote a comment up and not down as clearly the BNP supporters are NOT reading the comments on non BNP commenter’s and voting them down.
David
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Please don’t lump all BNP supporters as one. Granted, a great many have abused the rating system, but not all.
That was a great find VoteNo. Very strong and to the point. Don’t know why it was thumbed down by so many people prior to the tweak in the rating system, but it gets a thumb up from me.
Islamic group cancels anti-war protest plans http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8451014.stm
I wonder how long it will be before the BNP claim this as a victory to them, that they somehow made this happen?
Well it seems the Government has finally acted and banned the group completley:
“A radical Islamist group that planned a march through Wootton Bassett will be banned under counter-terrorism laws, Home Secretary Alan Johnson has said.
Islam4UK had planned the protest at the Wiltshire town to honour Muslims killed in the Afghanistan conflict. ”
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8453560.stm
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I did say the government can’t ban a march that’s not been organised yet, see they found a way around it :-)
Joking aside, about blinking time. Free speech YES, YES, YES, but no inciting hatred thank you very much.
What I find interesting is the arguments groups like Islam4UK use:
That sort of wording could have come from another political group, some would say are on the extremes of politics. I’ve wondered more than a few times why all groups like these aren’t banned? I suppose to some degree some of the groups are right when they say Britain is too soft when it comes to groups that threaten our way of life, both foreign and domestic.
David
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Yeah, I saw that they banned the group completely. On the face of it, I think that it’s good to make a stand against people who disrespect our troops and our country. However, on reflection I have come to a different conclusion…
Don’t get me wrong, Islam4UK makes me sick, and if faced with a member I would have a hard time keeping my temper under control. HOWEVER… It certainly rings 1984 when the government bans an organisation: it begs the question, where is the line now drawn? If it is acceptable to the govt. to ban one organisation, it is surely just as fine (to them) to ban any group on a whim because they merely dislike said group.
Furthermore, I want to know who these extremists who hold Britain with such contempt are, but outright banning Islam4UK drives them underground.
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I watched the daily politics today (watch it everyday) the Islam4UK guy was on there and shreaded by Andrew Neal about his benefits and why he isn’t working which I think it’s about time someone did that.
As for them in particular we all know they will just come back under a new name as they always do every time they get banned.
In the case of people like him I think the Government need to be looking at other option like prosecution for incitement etc because each time he is banned he starts again.
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yes until after the election then they will unban it
They won’t “unban” Islam4UK, in fact they’ve banned that organisation several times under different names.
Max you really do show your lack of knowledge and understanding with comments like this.
Islam4UK will probably resurface under a new name, gain some cheap publicity, piss a load of people off and eventually get banned again.
The ban will probably take so long it will help foster hate towards Muslims from groups like the BNP and EDL who argue they are trying to force Islam and Sharia law on the British. When the truth is we are as likely to have Sharia law replace British law as Nick Griffin being PM a few months from now.
You realise groups like Islam4UK help the BNP gain voters, despite the fact their following is tiny. I blame the media, they should not give extreme groups like Islam4UK no air time. When you see them on SKY news etc… it suggests they are popular and have significant support, when they don’t.
Where is the public outcry from Islam4UK supporters that this group has been banned? There isn’t one, only a small group of extremists supports them.
David
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No To BNP, You are probably correct, Nick Griffin said that if the Islamists marched, he and all the top members of the BNP would stand in their way and block the road. The thought of the BNP being dragged aside by the Police to allow the march to continue which would have given them a massive increase in support made the politicians wet themselves and idi the usual behind the doors payoff, no doubt extra grants to the islamic poor.
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Islam4UK is just another bunch of fanatics who take advantage of our softly softly approach to these people, they want all the benifits and privliges the country offers, if they do ever go to to court( legal aid courtesy of the taxpayer) they always get off..If they hate us so much why dont they piss off back, we would be executed if we carried on like them in their country, can you see their country paying us money and housing us wnile we paraded the streets slagging them off..BNP..and proud of it and proud to be British!
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Anjem Choudary (leader of Islam4UK) was born in 1967, in Welling, England, so he isn’t an immigrant who we can “send back to where he comes from”.
Anjem Choudary is a disgrace to Britain, but he is British, just like Nick Griffin is a disgrace to Britain, but he is British. They both have a lot in common with the way they want to treat people who they consider the enemy.
David
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“Hear Hear” well said mate…
Im divided on this. Whilst I loathe the political Islamists, not least for their hypocrisy and its quite clear they chose Wootton Bassett to provoke emotions, banning them is problematic.
Their placards are insensitive, insulting and inaccurate but if an organisation, even an extremist organisation is protesting peacefully it is hard to shout about defending freedom whilst preventing free speech. I know there is the argument that freedom has its limits when people seek to provoke, as Islam4UK is doing but I can’t help thinking that banning them will only allow them to paint themselves as martyrs and will actually serve to give them support. From a practical point of view, all they have to do is change their name and they divert the ban anyway. I think it would be more effective tackling hate clerics in certain mosques when they can be seen clearly inciting violence. Anjem Choudary is an attention seeker in the same mould as Nick Griffin. Whilst militant islamism is a real threat, we should not prop them up to be bigger than they are. Banning them only brings attention to them, but having said that I can see both sides of the argument.
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Would BNP supporters please stop posting under multiple names, it’s pathetic and makes your party look bad when you get caught out.
As a BNP supporter you aren’t intelligent enough to cover your tracks and post completely anonymously. I don’t check every post, but when someone says they work in the NHS and doctors they work with are useless it sounds fishy so I check the poster out to make sure it’s not one of you BNP trolls.
Explain:
Ruby: https://general-election-2010.co.uk/why-ill-never-vote-conservative-at-a-general-election/comment-page-3/#comment-6401
and
Patrick: https://general-election-2010.co.uk/islam-and-the-islamification-of-britain-discussion/comment-page-10/#comment-6351
You (Ruby) are on a dynamic IP address which means when you log in you get a new IP address, but you didn’t cover your tracks very well and slipped up by posting under three names with the exact same IP address.
Why have you (Ruby), Ben and Patrick posted using the same IP address and at least two of you work in the NHS and both those think the foreign doctors in the NHS are rubbish and two of you are BNP supporters and the other homophobic (a BNP supporter trait)?
You also believe in BNP conspiracy theories like Labour own this website. ROFLOL, I’m an SEO consultant and damn good at getting websites ranked high in Google. I’m the only person who controls what happens on this website.
Note: there’s a possibility this person has posted under other names, there’s indications, (same ISP, same sort of message, but not the same IP at the same time) but not conclusive evidence. I only act when I’m certain the same IP has been used as that’s the only way to be sure.
I thought BNP supporters believed the BNP are for truth and honesty in politics (LOL), so be a man or woman and admit you were caught out and move on. As long as you don’t do it again I don’t care.
Do not post under more than one name in future or I’ll delete all your comments including the old ones. You get one warning.
David
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