The town of Wootton Bassett is associated with honouring soldiers killed in Afghanistan, every time a fallen soldier returns home the town comes out in force to honor our loss. Very patriotic and no matter how you feel about the Afghanistan war what happens in Wootton Bassett is a very moving event. Makes me proud […]
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Something interesting.. here in UAE we’re subject to various kinds of censorship on our internet access usually just for pornography, anti-islamic sites and that sort of thing.
Just googled Islam4uk and got no further, even here it’s a banned site so it MUST be bad for a Muslim country to ban a Muslim organisation’s website!! Worth a chuckle!
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Well frankly Sarah they are a disgusting organisation anyway with nothing but extremeist views even my isp has blocked them for some of the stuff that appears on their website.
“vntbnp”, these are just the sort of muslims the BNP warns about! The lib/lab/cons have done NOTHING to stop groups such as these festering in our country for years, despite the fact that many of these so called muslim leaders are actually wanted in their OWN countries such as Pakistan, Egypt, Algeria etc, for acts of terrorism or promoting terrorism, our stupid govt bleats on about their (the terrorists) human rights, and parasites like cherie blair defend them in court AT OUR EXPENSE whilst making millions out of it, to prevent them from being deported! As I pointed out in my post on the “islamification” site, even the Americans are getting fed up with the British govts lack of action to stop these groups & individuals who are a danger to the whole of the western world!
I believe the leader of this attempted march is on FULL BENEFITS and no doubt his organisation gets generous grants from various govt or local govt departments to help foster “better understanding” or some such drivel, paid for again by the hoodwinked BRITISH PUBLIC!
VOTE BNP TO STOP THIS MADNESS!
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Whilst I don’t accept these groups we don’t need daft move by the BNP (non political) or the draconian measures suggested by the BNP i.e. Immigration Policy what we need is the main parties to grow some balls and get tough.
The BNP in my opinion are not the answer but part of the cause with the posturing they are making today all that will achieve is to make the situation worse by encouraging Islam4UK to demand the march even more because of the BNP latest move.
It in my opinion is more provocative than a solution.
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“I believe the leader of this attempted march is on FULL BENEFITS and no doubt his organisation gets generous grants from various govt or local govt departments to help foster “better understanding” or some such drivel, paid for again by the hoodwinked BRITISH PUBLIC!”
You can’t make a statement like that without backing it up with facts. Reliable source please?
If you are right I’ll support you 100% in trying to stop an organisation like Islam4UK being funded by the British tax payer, but proof first.
David
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“I believe the leader of this attempted march is on FULL BENEFITS”
I missed this bit, indeed I would like to see evidence of this one, because I can tell you that the Data Protection Act would come in to play heavily here, the only way it would be known is if he admitted it or if someone from DWP had let the info out (I worked for DWP many years ago and know the DPA rules), so i’d love to see any evidence (not BNP source) for this one.
But apart from that I don’t support this group in any way what so ever nor their planned march even though the guy himself has said he is using it as a pure publicity stunt, so I doubt it will go ahead anyway as he has recieved so much publicity for it already to not even need to go ahead with it.
They as yet haven’t applied to the police for the march or confirmed any dates etc, so it looks seriously like it won’t happen, and I see the BNP posturing as simply trying to trade off the back of the publicity Islam4UK have gotten in the last few days (although it doesn’t seem to have worked as the mainstream media haven’t picked up their threats today), but I guess that will be down to the Government controlled media conspiracy that it hasn’t been carried.
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Is anyone else unable to access the discussion board of the Facebook group: NO TO THE PLANNED ISLAM4UK MARCH THROUGH WOOTTON BASSETT at http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=228021139869
I’ve checked the discussion board with multiple browsers both logged in and out of Facebook and I can’t view the threads. If I click a thread it redirects me to the Facebook home page.
There was a mention of a problem on the groups Wall, but it said it was browser issues, not Facebook. I’ve checked multiple browsers and have no problems with other Facebook groups.
David
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I have the exact same problem as you, F/Fox Explorer and Chrome
There is an article on Sky News about the woman that is running the group as yesterday it was overrun with pro-BNP supporters posting, and she was linked (wrongly) with the BNP because of the state of the pro-BNP comments on there (nearly all of which have been removed now)
I would like to add another side note here: When this march is banned and I have no doubt it will be, just watch the BNP milk the banning by claiming a victory for the British National Party claiming that it was only because they stepped in with the threat (otherwise known as trading off the media attention Islam4UK is gaining from this) that the march was blocked, I wonder if I am right here ….. lets wait and see
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I am not surprised in the slightest that islam4uk have done this. Why not, pavlov’s dogs (I mean labour) dribble at the mouth the second a muslim shouts loud enough.
I’m very surprised that Gordon (compulsive liar) Brown is not backing the march from his own pocket. I would not be surprised to see Jack (im not a convert, honest to allah) Straw in the march somewhere…he’ll be the one with the biggest banner.
History tells us that weak governments get crushed…goodbye labour
I am very, very surprised that people find the march offensive. After all, isn’t it racist to say ‘no’ to a muslim (even though religion is not a race). A lot of BNP haters seem to be using BNP words abotu the march.
fact is.
1) you want them in (you certainly dont want them out), therfore sit down, shut up and keep quiet. All equal rights remember…democracy at its finest:P No soup for you.
2) you want them out. In that case, join the club, we’ve got jackets.
DarkMithras (If you dont like our flag…find another)
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Just to prove that Griffin and the BNP are making this so called stance for Wootton Bassett here are a few exerts from the latest email sent out by Nick Griffin today to the party members (and those on the mailing list)
“The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage. However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Bassett and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers.”
With this section of the email we can see that this is far more than just a token stand/gesture being made, even though the BNP are claiming that it will be just Nick Griffin/Andrew Brons and Richard Barnbrook I think is perfectly obvious that their will be far more (as we know Griffin goes nowhere without his gang of 3-4 personal minders)
“Make no mistake, we are earnest on this issue. If the authorities lack the courage and moral fibre to confront this disgusting Muslim march of hate, we believe that the presence of our three highest-profile elected politicians in a peaceful yet highly symbolic defiance of the Muslim mob, will force the government to ban this vile march. If they do not, the PR consequences for them and public support for us will be immeasurable.”
And bang right at the end of the email “public support for us will be immeasurable” so NOT really doing it for British people it’s for the PR like we didn’t already know that, but there it is in Nick Griffins own words the PR will be great for them.
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voteno tobnp
At least bnp will stand down there will you see brown and toff boy cameron ?
I thought this website is bnp pro ? I think not.
first of you need a partner in your life because you spend much time on this site and you really think you are mr know it all and david your partner lol.
Oh come on it’s a blatant pr stunt and everyone with a few braincells knows that one.
And actually I am already married thanks, the other half is busy online gaming in bed next to me :)
Oh come on !!!!!!!
I dont think so and just incase you are ????????well i fell sorry for her
So you’ve (like a standard BNP supporter) run out of rational debating ability and resorted to basic insults again ……. must try harder I feel.
Well what do you class as standard me lordship ?
Well just read the comments of people like Terence on this site he is the perfect example of a standard BNP supporter.
Now again I am not saying they are all the same there are a few that are more than capable of interesting debate but as a rule the majority are fairly standard types.
What is it with the BNP supporters insistence on turning a perfectly good discussion into personal insults!
Even on this post where we both agree with the BNP that this Islam4UK march through Wootton Bassett should not go ahead they attack us. I’d be quite happy to see Labour/Conservatives/Lib Dems make a stand against extremist groups like Islam4UK and ban them completely.
Not that it matters, but like Vote No to BNP I’m also married, very happily married for closing on 20 years.
Though I’m the one that tends to do the gaming (Team Fortress 2 via Steam right now :-)) while the wife does more productive things with her time like photography and reviewing local attractions for her websites.
David
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SO BNP LIE ?
SO MR AND MRS KNOW IT ALL TORIES AND LABOUR DONT LIE ?
No one said they don’t it’s called politics, but lets face it the BNP’s lies are so damn funny it makes them look stupid; I mean what a pathetic attempt at a pr stunt the other main parties know how to do politics far better by not making these stupid statements.
oh and cameron and browns lies are so so so damm funny too arnt they :)
Well I for one has never claimed that the Tories are the 100% honest party (unlike the BNP supporters) who scream Nick Griffin the god etc (Terence), at least I am a realist who looks at what people say and do some research and find out for myself rather than just trusting what I am told.
The average BNP supporter just accepts every word the BNP (Nick Griffin) tells them without question.
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Ive never claimed either, so there is one person who scream for bnp lol i dont think so.
So if you are a logical thinker (who doesn’t subscribe to everything the BNP tells you) what policies of the BNP do you disagree with?
So why carnt they say and comment without you butting in ?
Because when people say something that the BNP quote (and state it as a BNP quote) me being me wonders off and researches and finds other data that opposes what they so called BNP facts state and present that data for debate.
But the average BNP supporter rather than debating the data decides to descend in to basic childish insults rather than entering adults debate.
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So conservatives are angels enough said.
Lets see what happens under a tory leader which will happen.And you have made enough childish insults as well. please change your name to mr know it all.And conservatives wont be leaders for long :)
Oh they are far from Angels but if you look at the policies of the three main parties and the minor parties (who frankly won’t win enough to form a Government) the for me the Tory policies are the better of the three.
I don’t agree with them all (some should be far stricter) but from the options available then the Tories offer me the best for what I want to see.
And you haven’t yet managed to answer my previous question re what BNP policies you disagree with?
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Having read the various media reports and posts on this site I have to ask the following: –
If we are at war with the people that Islam4UK support, then doesn’t that make them traitors of the British people.
If they are traitors, then why have they not been arrested and deported to the beloved country that they support or tried for treason – which is what would happen in any sane country.
More worrying, David is your comment “I’m not sure if the government can legally ban a march like this?
That looks to me like an admission that you know Westminster (our own government) is no longer in charge of running the UK, or of setting its laws.
This is something I have said all along – we are governed by Brussels, not by Westminster and as such, unless the government that is elected takes us out of the EU it won’t matter who wins the next election – we will be well and truly screwed.
This is the No 1 reason why I support the BNP as all the other parties (with possibly the exception of UKIP) support further integration into the EU.
Also, as a sidenote, recently released papers have shown that Margaret Thatcher was also against immigration like the BNP.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-in-anti-asian-bias-secret-439114
and we all know what the Tory Party did to her because they didn’t agree with her.
Just a little food for thought for any would be Tory supporters
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Firstly welcome back UK Forever (someone I like to debate with), I actually agree with you comments re Islam4UK apart from the treason stuff etc just because it isn’t actually viable to bring that kind of case in the UK (i’m not even sure we have active treason laws for this anymore), however I do agree that he could be considered for deportation on the grounds of his consistant attempts to incite racial hatred etc, but again not sure it could be done as it seems he was born here.
As for Thatcher well fact is that was over twenty years ago and things change in politics over time.
In terms of my voting Tory as you already know it’s based on a number of factors mainly we need some stronger action on Government Spending and Economy etc (again I don’t agree with all the policies i.e. the Immigration policy needs to be harder than the current proposal and the promise to spend more on overseas aid is a bad one in my opinion)
But when taken from an overall policy plan I can agree with more of the Tory polices than I can with any other party, hence why I will be voting for them.
I don’t see the other parties like UKIP/Green/BNP and the rest as viable option for numerous reasons the main ones being:
1. They have NO chance of becoming a Govnernment
2. The policies are NOT workable
3. They won’t bring any real benefit to the country
and those apply to all the minor parties not just the BNP I think you know my views on specific BNP policy.
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Thanks VoteNo ToBNP and a Happy New Year.
If I remember right the laws against treason were abolished (on the quiet)in 1998 when the Criminal Justice Bill became Law. This shows to me that the prime minister (and government of the day), knew full well what they were doing and so changed the law to avoid prosecution for the acts they were commiting.
As it has been a Tory Labour government see-saw for as long as I can remember it is the primary reason why I don’t trust them. There continued refusal to give us a say over our relationship with Europe only serves to put the final nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned even though I do appreciate your arguements.
While I know you do not agree with looking at historical facts, I do. To take situations as they only exist at this moment in time is like only taking a snapshot. To get the full picture I have to look at how we arrived at the situation we are in today; of how society has deteriorated over time and the reasons for it.
Also I have to conceed that looking at the poll results it is very disheartening to see the amount of apathy (or ignorance) that appears to exist; that the BNP are not currently in a situation where they can win. That said I only have to look at the frequency by which new members are joining there social networking site and the steadily increasing numbers of friends they have on facebook to give us some hope – despite all the media hype.
I know you will disagree and it is probably wishful thinking, but hopefully miracles will happen
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Even though as you know I do support the UK’s membership of the EU I do also agree that the only way to actually settle the question once and for all is to hold a referendum to ask the country for it’s opinion (I would obviously campaign and vote to stay in), but I do agree that it would settle the argument once and for all.
But that said the BNP in my opinion are NOT the party to make that happen as for one it will be (and I hope you agree with this) that it is going to be realistically 15-20 years before the BNP have any real power base in parliment (by power base I mean they need at least 100 MPs elected to have any real say, hence why the LibDems get no real say at the moment).
So if people are holding out hope that the BNP are the only party that can make it happen they are going to have to wait a long long time for it to be a reality (and that’s just to get the vote on the issue), so in reality would you agree that people like yourself would be better served in voting for a more EU Sceptic party and once they are elected push for a referendum using the Gov’s petition system I would suggest that if lets say 5 million people signed such a petition it could not be ignored by the Gov of the day.
So to make what some people want a reality wouldn’t the best option be to vote for the Tories who are likely to win anyway but are more EU sceptic than Labour?
As for my main reasons for not voting BNP yes it has something to do with the history of the party and people like Nick Griffin/Lee Barnes/Mark Collett/Artur Kemp and some other leading BNP people, but my main objections are based on un realistic polices like Protectionism, sending the Education System back 20 years when we should be moving forward and many other un workable policy that will effect business and jobs across the country.
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“More worrying, David is your comment “I’m not sure if the government can legally ban a march like this?”
You’ve taken my quote out of context, note the question mark, it was a question of how I think things work.
I don’t know much about what you can and can’t do in terms of marches, I know there are some silly rules governing protests outside parliament and I also know Labour have brought in some draconian measures under the guise of anti terrorism laws. But as I said above:
I’m not sure if the government can legally ban a march like this?
Can they?
Roger Philips in another comment mentioned the government banned an EDL march, so looks like they have some powers.
You have to remember although Islam4UK say they are going to march through Wootton Bassett, they haven’t set a date or applied for permission. So it would be premature for the government to ban something that’s not even arranged yet. It would also be inappropriate for the government in advance to say they would ban a march organised by Islam4UK, so they have to wait for it to be applied for etc…
If Islam4UK organise the Wootton Bassett march and the Government don’t ban it, then there’s something wrong with the system. At this stage it’s all talk from Islam4UK and appears to be nothing more than a publicity stunt that’s achieved what it set out to achieve!
As a website owner if I put a page up saying I was going to organise a march through Wootton Bassett to protest against the Afghanistan war would you expect the government to ban my march before I’d organised it?
Before any BNP supporters jump on this and misquote me, it’s HYPOTHETICAL, I have no plans to setup any marches anywhere :-)
BTW this page and poll is working on the assumption Islam4UK planned to actually organise the march and not just say they are going to organise a march.
David
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It may be too late for this election I do believe the BNP will stand a good chance in the next one (that is if we are still allowed a general election).
Support for the party is growing far faster than you give the party credit for and will continue to do so unless situations like this march, immgration, law and order, etc are actually tackled, which I dont think any government would be in a position to while we are in the EU.
Once out of the EU we would then be free to discuss other policies as there would then be some point to doing so.
As for sending the education system back 20 years(preferably more), I happen to think that would be no bad thing unless you happen to think sex education for 5 year olds with all its perversions is acceptable.
Sorry if I took your comments out of context David, but it did, at a glance, look to me as if that was the point you where making.
That said I couldn’t agree with you more that I totally disagree with the march through Wooton Bassett. It is obvious that its only aim is to stir up as much trouble as possible.
Mmmm! maybe thats what GB wants. Rioting on the streets would give him an ideal opportunity to impose his much sought after police state
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