It’s been reported that in October 2009 the BNP leader, Nick Griffin, who was elected to the European parliament in June 2009 will appear on the BBC’s Question Time program.
Many in politics see this as a BIG mistake, personally I think hiding your head in the sand while the BNP preach ‘watered down’ hate policies door to door is a big mistake, so I for one support the BBC’s decision to allow the BNP leader Nick Griffin to participate during Question Time and hope to see more of the BNP in main stream media.
BNP leader Nick Griffin on BBC’s Question Time?
The British National Party gained two seats in the June 2009 European election which means they do have a voice amongst the British people. Yes, many will argue a vote for the BNP is a protest vote, but it is a vote and since they have gained enough votes to gain 2 MEP’s, they have a right to be heard.
Whenever I think of the BNP in power (any power) it scares the crap out of me, Adolf Hitler was a member of a little supported German party until financial strife and a lot of protest like voting gained them a little power. Through very poor political decisions in Germany, the Nazi party gained power.
I’m not saying the BNP are the same as the Nazi Party, the link is where a country in crisis (Germany was in depression, we are in a recession) will vote for stupid things not realising where it may take them long term!
Sine our political system is open and we can’t ban the BNP from running candidates, the only way to deal with this sort of fascist party with a racist leadership is through reasoned debate.
If we don’t confront them in the national media (Question Time for example) how can we see them for what they truly are?
It will leave the BNP to spread their hate at grass roots level where some of the UK public are in crisis and open to apparently easy solutions (like expelling all immigrants will solve our job shortages) to hard problems.
I look forward to the debates on BBC’s Question Time next month and hope it’s not ruined by UAF protesters.
David Cameron Law
I’ve been participating in a few debates on Facebook Groups. Pasting my contribution here.
Where Should BNP Policies be Discussed?
If the UAF are against the BNP being given airtime on Question Time and presumably any other mainstream media outlet, where are the British public meant to find information about what the BNP stands for?
I’ve recently started a site about the next general election www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ and have created about 70 posts for discussing all the political parties policies (still got UKIP and the Green Party to list) and when I compiled the BNP pages www.general-election-2010.co.uk/votes/bnp-policies (I found 15 distinct BNP policies) at first reading they do not come across as racist (they are, but they are wrote quite well if you know what I mean).
Now I know the average person in the street likely to vote BNP is totally disillusioned with politics and are highly unlikely to do any research, but if they do and all they get is the BNP website and organisations like the UAF stating the BNP should not be on the TV, it doesn’t exactly present a full picture.
I hope the BBC do allow the BNP on Question Time AND the other panelists and the audience have a reasoned debate that shows what the BNP is really about. Please don’t make a protest, it doesn’t help your cause, it’s irritating to viewers (like me) who want to understand what’s going on.
If not the BBC where else is the average British person going to get both sides of the story?
David
Where Should BNP Policies be Discussed?
RE: “What other perspective on ethnic cleansing do you want?”
Well what perspective do I have now regarding the BNP?
According to their websites political policies they will stop immigration, remove all illegal immigrants and offer financial rewards to legal immigrants to return to their homelands.
I completely disagree with that policy, for starters we need immigration to fill skilled jobs that currently can’t be filled by British workers (saw a report the other day that there’s is a big shortages of engineers in the UK). However, that BNP policy doesn’t sound too bad, (certainly not outright racist) but is it really what they think/plan to do if they gained significant power?
Think about it from the perspective of a poorly educated 18+ year old living in an inner city with no job, it’s easy to believe his/her problems could be solved by removing all the foreigners from the UK. Reality is we’d be screwed short/medium term if immigration was stopped and legal immigrants moved out of the UK in mass!
I’ve only recently started seriously researching the BNP (for www.general-election-2010.co.uk/) since no matter how disillusioned with politics I might get, I’d never vote for a party like the BNP (what little I’d seen on the mainstream media suggests they are racist, but it wasn’t 100% clear). My political choices have always been between the three main parties and probably always will be, so didn’t need to know much about the BNP (BNP bad, don’t vote for them :)).
I’ve recently read some quite disturbing things about the BNP, Nick Griffin for example was convicted of inciting racial hatred, I’ve never heard that on the news and I tend to have the BBC or SKY newson a few hours a day (don’t know what he did either to be preosecuted). The founder of the BNP (still part of the BNP I believe) could be considered a terrorist, tried to blow up the offices of another political party, (something like that) again I’d not heard this in the media. Also found a picture of the founder wearing a Nazi uniform in front of a swastik symbol!
Also important that BNP councilors have made very poor councilors, tending not to turn up to council meetings.
Rather than protesting that the BNP shouldn’t be heard does it not make more sense to point out why the British people shouldn’t vote BNP?
After all in June 2009 943,598 British people voted for the BNP, 6.2% of voters! Clearly the message that the BNP are not to be voted for is not getting through to the people on the street : I can not believe that almost 1,000,000 British people believe what Nick Griffin believes, that the holocaust didn’t happen (again didn’t get this info from mainstream media).
BTW you didn’t answer the question :)
David
We Need Immigration to Fill Skilled Jobs that Currently can’t be Filled by British Workers
Hi David,
Sorry to point this out,not being funny but, his name is ‘Nick Griffin’ m8 NOT Nick Clegg(LIB DEMS LEADER).
Time for a spot of editing me thinks ;))
ROFLOL, that’s a little embarrassing.
In my defence not many people know who Nick Clegg is anyway :-)
Thanks for pointing out my brain fart, fixed it now.
David
Hi David
Sry m8 i will try to behave ;D
RE: “1930’s – 40’s Central Germany is where these “Political Ideologies” should STAY!
nobody likes a facist or racist or wholely discriminative bunch of Nazis!”
I completely agree, BUT we already have a problem when almost a million British people (that’s 6.2% of voters) voted for the BNP in the European elections which is more than the Nazi party had in the German 1924 and 1928 elections (3% and 2.6% of the vote respectively).
At one point the Nazi party was even banned and Hitler was imprisoned.
Had the great depression never occurred the Nazi party would have probably never gained power in Germany, looks like we won’t go through a depression, but a deep recession has bred discontent among the British people and I would not be surprised if the BNP gain some MP’s in the next general election.
At least we have a lesson to learn from history, (I don’t think the German people had the equivalent of an early Nazi party killing 6 million Jews to learn from??). I know there’s a lot of very poorly educated people in the UK (the world), but I think they are lacking understanding, not downright evil like the leaders of the Nazi party were and I think the same was true of the German people in the 1930s.
If the British people are not told the truth they will believe the lies from the BNP and I think the only guaranteed way of getting the truth to the British people (the ones who might vote BNP not realising they are racist/anti-Semitic) is through mainstream media.
Clearly with almost a million votes the current policy of not engaging the BNP has failed, unless people think 6% of the vote is successful?
David
1930's – 40's Central Germany is where these Political Ideologies should STAY!
RE; “My personal suggestion is sites like your own David, extract policies from the party website present them and request a debate on it.”
Funny you should say that, as I’m doing this for all major political parties, BNP policies at : https://general-election-2010.co.uk/votes/bnp-policies/ and hope to see a lot of debate when the site is fully indexed in Google (90% of the site was created this week and not indexed yet). This FaceBook Group has distracted me a bit as should have added the Green Party and UKIP by now :))
My site is new, yet is already top 5 in Google for searches like General Election 2010 and just outside top 10 for General Election. The sites a few months old and it usually takes at least 9 months to rank well in Google, (I run a search engine optimization business and have optimised the site, so expect to be ranking quite high for relevant search phrases before the next general election (my other sites get about 20,000 unique visitors a day).
However, even if the site does as well as most of my sites tend to do, it’s highly unlikely to make a difference to those that might vote BNP because they don’t understand what the BNP really stands for. The sort of people who are swayed (tricked even) by BNP ideas (watered down racism) are not going to do research and find the BNP are racist, period.
I’m also not sure if having the BNP on Question Time will help either, do the sort of people who believe solutions like removing all immigrants from the UK is good for the country watch QT? I doubt it, but I still think it’s a good idea to engage people like this because ignoring them hasn’t worked.
I’m looking for articles from others https://general-election-2010.co.uk/general-election-2010-have-your-say/ will post well written political articles that are not inciting anything illegal. I’ll accept posts related to all political views, not just what I agree with.
David
Where to Political Parties Policies?
RE: “The BBC has never given me a political platform with which to be heard. I’m willing to bet that the BBC has never given you such a platform, either.”
Have you ever gained almost a million votes in an election?
If the Monster Raving Looney Party gained a million votes in the next general election on dumb ass policies, would you have a problem with it’s leader appearing on QT?
It’s contradiction to say they can exercise their democratic rights as a political party, but not to be heard via mainstream media like other political parties!
Well the not be heard part is the off switch on your TV, if you or any of the 60 odd million people in the UK don’t want to hear the BNP on Question Time, don’t watch it. Yes I agree, they do not have a right to be heard, but they should be given the opportunity to be heard by the British public 6% of whom apparently support their views!
The Green Party gained 8.6% in the European elections and IMO they have some strange ideas about genetic engineering (I studied genetics at Uni BTW), but I don’t deny them the ‘right’ to appear on QT, just because I think the Green Parties ideas are damaging to science and will cost lives long term.
David
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“I haven’t read the full conversation, but I read your article and came to the conclusion that you’re a fascist sympathiser.”
Had you read all my responses you’d have read:
“After all in June 2009 943,598 British people voted for the BNP, 6.2% of voters! Clearly the message that the BNP are not to be voted for is not getting through to the people on the street : I can not believe that almost 1,000,000 British people believe what Nick Griffin believes, that the holocaust didn’t happen (again didn’t get this info from mainstream media).”
and
“If the British people are not told the truth they will believe the lies from the BNP and I think the only guaranteed way of getting the truth to the British people (the ones who might vote BNP not realising they are racist/anti-Semitic) is through mainstream media.
Clearly with almost a million votes the current policy of not engaging the BNP has failed, unless people think 6% of the vote is successful?”
and
“However, even if the site does as well as most of my sites tend to do, it’s highly unlikely to make a difference to those that might vote BNP because they don’t understand what the BNP really stands for. The sort of people who are swayed (tricked even) by BNP ideas (watered down racism) are not going to do research and find the BNP are racist, period.
I’m also not sure if having the BNP on Question Time will help either, do the sort of people who believe solutions like removing all immigrants from the UK is good for the country watch QT? I doubt it, but I still think it’s a good idea to engage people like this because ignoring them hasn’t worked.”
and responding to your post at www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=156791458824&topic=9940
“”The BBC has never given me a political platform with which to be heard. I’m willing to bet that the BBC has never given you such a platform, either.”
Have you ever gained almost a million votes in an election?
If the Monster Raving Looney Party gained a million votes in the next general election on dumb ass policies, would you have a problem with it’s leader appearing on QT?
It’s contradiction to say they can exercise their democratic rights as a political party, but not to be heard via mainstream media like other political parties!”
To answer your question regarding extending my logic. Had you read the entire thread (and you had half a brain) you’d have realised my argument is based on the BNP has already gained a foothold in mainstream British politics (BNP 6%, Greens 8%) and I believe one way (I don’t know if it’s the best way) is to deal with them direct through mainstream media so the sort of people who might vote BNP, but not for out right racist reasons will see what the BNP stand for and think twice before voting for a racist political party.
Like I asked you in the other thread regarding your lack of an invite on QT, does your hypothetical Muslim extremist have nearly a million votes from the British people? No you say, well why would I support their invite on QT based on my arguments above?? Had this Muslim extremist somehow gained a foothold in British politics like the BNP have then yes, put him on QT and exposes his views to the public for what they are.
Unfortunately this also extends to Hitler, if Hitler/someone like Hitler gained a million British votes we have a problem that needs to be dealt with. You need to look back at history and take a lesson from it, the Nazi party was banned in Germany in the mid 1920s, Hitler was imprisoned for treason. 1924 and 1928 they got less than 3% of the German vote, but two short years later the German economy was in crisis and the Nazi party gained almost 1/5th of the vote in the 1930 election! It doesn’t look like we are going to go into a depression, but what if we did and we had mass unemployment and people starving in the streets, do you not see the BNP seizing on this and blaming immigration? Easy solution, kick out all the foreigners and all ‘true’ British people will get a job and live happily ever after!
So because you didn’t read the entire thread, you made a snap judgment on someone and called them a fascist sympathiser and even now when your error is pointed out you still didn’t read the entire thread and see the truth.
An intelligent person would have read the entire thread and corrected their error and even apologised (I would if I made such a mistake). I’m afraid you are presenting yourself as a poorly educated bigot!
You’ve also turned this thread from an interesting discussion into the sort of thread I’m sure the BNP enjoy. Rather than discussing the issues and maybe thinking of solutions, you’ve turned it into a mud slinging contest.
I’ve made my point and I’m done responding to you, waste of time, your mind is closed to anything you don’t agree with.
David
Fascist Sympathiser
Not going to waste my time on childish arguments that achieve nothing, so lets try to get the discussion back on track.
“I think David Cameron Law’s point is that how can members of the public get a true view of the BNP if the only things they can find out about them are on the BNP website or ultra left sites, both which may well make them sympathise with the BNP and therefore vote for them.”
That’s basically my point, though I’m more concerned at what the BNP supporters will be saying when they go door to door next year since I doubt the average British voter who might be swayed to vote BNP will ever look at the BNP website or any other political site for that matter to decide if they should vote BNP. BNP supporters won’t knock on a door and explain how the Jews are the root of all evil and should be exterminated, no they will use phrases like “British job for British workers” and if the BNP gain power we’ll stop immigration and that will mean there will be more council houses for British people who have paid into the system and because all those immigrant scroungers are gone more money available for pensioners, lie after lie in other words.
I came from a deprived background, lived on council estates (even spent 2 months in a detention center at 15 years of age) and was brought up thinking it’s normal to refer to Pakistanis as Pakis (we called the corner shop the Paki shop even when in it!)! Wasn’t until I hit my late teens I saw how wrong it was and my wife and I have raised our children (home educated BTW) to respect those who earn their respect. The local kids our children know also use the word Paki to describe Pakistani’s and the local kids don’t think it’s wrong, they aren’t racist, they don’t know any better. When they hit 18 they will be ripe for turning to watered down BNP ideas, especially if they can’t find work and fall for the easy solutions offered by the BNP.
I see ignoring the BNP and hoping they don’t do better in the next general election as a dangerous stance. We should learn from history, in times of trouble people do stupid things like vote in Hitler! Most of the German people who voted for the Nazi party are not inherently evil, just like most of the people who voted BNP this year aren’t. When people feel wronged (and the British people feel wronged right now!!) some make really bad choices. Unemployment is almost certainly going to get worse before it gets better, so not unreasonable to expect a big problem with the BNP gaining more votes next year.
The current policy of no platform has not worked, and I do understand the concept behind it: do not legitimise their racist ideas since it makes them part of the mainstream political establishment which means it’s OK to vote for them.
So back to my original question since no one has really answered it, if not in the mainstream media how should mainstream political parties (anyone) tackle the BNP problem in a way that will result in less people voting BNP next year?
We should be aiming for ZERO BNP MP’s, MEP’s, councilors….
David
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David
Your quote.
“If not the BBC where else is the average British person going to get both sides of the story?”
Well if the average british person has no access the the internet, your probably right.
But it also shows how you believe everything the bbc has to say.
I don’t believe everything the BBC says, but I do give their views more credibility than other sources.
Everyone has an agenda, some are more forceful in following their agenda than others and the BBC try to be balanced IMO, or to be more precise they are more balanced than other sources of information.
Seriously do you believe without question every word of whatever news sources you follow?
David
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Answer is no.
I believe several news sources that say the same thing, provided it makes sense and is rational, backed up with some kind of evidence, like a video.
It is possible to take a kind of average view from the media, and it is also possible to check stuff for oneself.
A great deal of official news is fabricated and often proves to be false with the passage of time, like Labour claims about WMD for example.
I checked the many claims that the BNP are Nazi fascists, and found those claims to be unsubstantiated, and the result of political prejudice.
I checked the claim that this country has been betrayed by Labour and Tory, and found that I agree.
As a result of my own enquiries, I reject the BBC and Labour and Tory, and vote BNP.
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David
Your question to me was “Seriously do you believe without question every word of whatever news sources you follow?”
Thats actually quite funny coming from someone who has blurted “racist” nearly every time you have mentioned the bnp.
Of course I do not believe, without question every word I read, from wherever I read it.
I will keep an open and rational mind and make a decision based on my own thought process.
I am not a sheep, I do not follow the masses.
To be honest I rarely read the bbc news, the stories (I think) are just so “middle of the road”
and when you say the bbc are balanced, if you mean not wanting to offend anyone, I think your totally correct.
So going to your original question
“If not the BBC where else is the average British person going to get both sides of the story?”
You seem to contradict yourself from post to post.
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I am just appalled at the mess this country is in after so many years of Tory & Labour ruling. It astounds me that these parties have the front to call the BNP a racist party yet on Question Time last week they openly admitted that the reason why white boys from low income families are failing is purely because of the anti-white english discrimination policies that both parties support by actively directing resources to ethnics. Forgetting the white english kids who are now so far behind they haven’t got a chance. Its a disgrace. They have thrown our borders wide open without a thought of our own unemployment, encouraging migration in astronomical numbers in the belief that it benefits the economy?? I don’t think so, all the money migrants like the polish earn is sent back to their families in their own countries.if we have such a skill shortage then why isn’t the government training the young and unemployed to fill these gaps before seeking migrant workers? And as for all the foreign aid we are sending whilst our children live in poverty I feel is unforgivable, charity should begin at home. We should be using the money to put our own house in order first, children and the elderly are living in just as appalling conditions if not worse. it is the policies of both main parties that have got this country in this mess.No one else so it about time we had a total change and as far as I can see the only party that can do this is the BNP. even my 81 year old mother who has voted Tory all her life will be voting BNP at the next election. Doesn’t that just speak for itself? We have become nearly as bad as the so called third world countries with our shanty towns emerging everywhere. I don’t consider myself a racist but I do feel very much discriminated against because I am white english. I take my mother to all her hospital appointments and we have never actually seen a white english doctor. I am sure the ones we see are excellent but it is very very difficult and very frustrating to understand them enough to be able to follow their instructions. And when I hear things like we cant have Christmas celebrations in case it offends!!! Well I have to admit, I do feel like saying if our religious celebrations offend then move to another country where you will not be offended. I could go on and on but by the increasing support that the BNP are getting my issues and many more are in the forefront of alot of people. I sincerely hope with all my heart that the BNP do very well in the next election, they are this country’s only hope. Vote BNP
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Of course they should have been on QT so their opinions can be heard.
lets face facts lab/con haved screwed the nhs and education
damn the A levels in britain today are classed as a exam for 12-14 year olds in some parts of asia that easy to do they mean nothing-complete waste of a childs school life
health such as hospitals/doctors and dentists are bursting at the seems only due to the amount of imigrants in britain for the free nhs
imigrants overunning the schools so lsa’s brought into each class to help the teachers
no one in govenment will admit how many imigrants are here, but i was in slovakia when they first got in the eu in NITRA city the city hall gave out 500,000 free one way tickets to the gipsys to england, it was no doubt the same in most slovak cities
then the same in most countries that got into the EU, romania, bulgaria etc
now these free tickets were not for any other country just for britain, i was there as a guest of the mayer’s wife to a party where the only talk of the night was the gypsies are going to the uk
knowing the country aswell as i do,the poor will have a better life in our prisons than they do in their own country as free men, so most of them i think are still here
we cant blame them for wanting a better life but we can blame labour for opening the flood gates
as iv said i believe the true numbers of imigrants let in and sneaked in to this country is around 8,000,000 maybe 1,000,000 have gone back, but the rest are here bleeding us dry one way or another
bnp will send most of them back that will make the economy a hell of a lot better which will help us to repair the country THATS GOT TO BE A GOOD THING
Lab/Con Have Screwed the NHS and Education
More BNP lies. Are you forced to lie to make an argument, it completely discredited you.
Lets get this right, in one city (NITRA city) the government gave away half a million free tickets to the UK (and you assume this happened in other cities as well) to get rid of Gypsies?
Few tiny problems with your lies Max. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitra
Nitra city has a population of 85,000 and it’s the 4th largest Slovakian city.
According to your BNP lies not only did they give away over 5 times as many tickets to the inhabitants of the city than lived there, but they were all gypsies. Is the country filled with Gypsies or something, must be 10s of millions of them? Slovakia had around 5,000,000 population in 2001, so if your BNP lies were true 10% of the countries population left to the UK pretty much overnight. And yet there’s no news reports on this, why is that Max???
And this ignores the fact even if a country did try to ship half a million of it’s people to the UK, they wouldn’t get in. Why make up ridiculous BNP lies like this Max? If your argument is so strong you shouldn’t need to resort to lie after lie!
You are a BNP liar trying to stare up hate toward immigrants to further the BNP’s goals.
I would not be surprised if you’ve never step foot outside Manchester and don’t have a job.
Make one more comment like this that’s filled with BNP lies that make no sense at all and I’ll delete ALL your new comments.
You want to have a reasonable debate about politics, go ahead, but you will not use my site to stare up hatred towards legal immigrants with packs of BNP lies.
You will not be warned twice.
David
Nitra city has a population of 85,000 and it's the 4th largest Slovakian city
lol 850,000 my arse. maybe that is the working force
but thats what they did gave 500,000 free tickets to britain, including outside villages no doubt
there you go again with your results on paper
i was staying there at the time and will give the proof i have to bnp at anytime they want it
its not hate i tell this story infact out of all the countries iv stayed the slovaks are the nicest people i respect them very much,they are proud people like we were once (REMEMBER)
asoon as they got in the eu the city was overun with people sqatting there within days waiting for tickets
what do you know about slovakia, nothing im certain its just a place on a map with daft figures on a piece of paper
i do work none stop, i have never and will never claim off the dss
as for you saying im a liar, you would say that being a labour supporter, but the proof is here on cam disks
further more i only support the people i believe will help this country
bnp do need to change some of their policies but for me the most important ones right now are to get the imigrants out and get the fcuk outa the eu
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You are a BNP liar, that’s a fact.
Nitra city has a population of 85,000.
Slovakia has a population around 5,000,000.
It’s retarded BNP lies to say 500,000 gypsies from Nitra city have moved to England.
Which makes you an idiotic BNP liar, who can’t even make up a believable BNP lie.
If you think you can prove this, feel free. Show me some credible sources, BBC News, SKY News, even the Daily Mail! Come on Max, put up or shut up.
Even the BNP with it’s over exaggeration talk about 3 million legal immigrants entered Britain in the last 10 years or so. You are trying to argue another 5 million illegal immigrants are wandering around the streets of Britain. That would be almost 10% of the population that are illegal, shouldn’t be that hard to find them then.
If you are right about 5 million illegal immigrants, since we have ~ 2 and half million unemployed and most of them are going to have been born in Britain, most of your 5 million illegal immigrants must be working and not sponging off the state (illegals can’t claim benefits).
Making rubbish up like this does so much damage to the BNP cause, well done Max.
Never believe anything you read from a BNP supporter without confirming it first, the BNP and it’s supporters lie all the time
David
BNP say 500,000 gypsies from Nitra city have moved to England
Numbers are not the issue and I would say hardly relevant. It is what hard working and honest people are seeing happening around them at this time which is shaping public opinion. People are fed up, disgusted and disillusioned with how this once great country of ours has and is being run and its resources being exploited. Not one of the main parties can give accurate figures for the number of legal/illegal immigrants that have been allowed across our borders. But, the effect of their numbers here is becoming very apparent.
They have cheapened our work force such that if you are fortunate to have a job with average pay you are afraid to ask for a reasonable pay increase because it is generally made quite clear that there is an abundance of cheaper labor available on the streets. The result is that wages have overall been reduced pushing more people to seek assistance just to try to keep a very expensive roof over their heads. This being because government has allowed a private/local government housing market to evolve that is market controlled and not based on affordability.
Corporations are also setting their work force to work overseas because wages are cheaper. Thus removing those opportunities from the people who need work in this country. Our industries have been allowed to fall and be scooped up by overseas compeditors. This has been a systematic dismantling of the wealth and earning potential of this country by all any of the Governments that have come to power over the last 50 years.
Now the shit has hit the fan to quote a coloquial term. Our houses are being purchased by immigrants for their families. Or being rented out at exhorbitant rates to pay for their retirements
instead of our Local government/s purchasing and building up the housing stock, that the Conservative party sold off, to provide good affordable housing for the citizens born and working all of their lives in this country.
The whole situation today is a total disgrace and an insult to the people born and deserving in the UK.
I for one will never vote Conservative as I have seen what they do once in power .. as for the other main parties I am at a loss because in my opinion none are willing to face the blunt truths of the situation and deal with it effectively and permanently.
For this reason I am seriously considering the BNP as a more viable party to put this country back where it should be. In front of the queue.
Their policies appear to be racist but hell, what is positive discrimation. A practice that has been used by main and local government for years that rewards people of ethnic minority regardless of ability. Is that not racist towards the born White UK citizen.
The BNP in my opinion make more sense to me and I think that its time for a major wake up call to the main politial parties.
I agree they should have a platform such as ‘question time’ but at the same time they should also clean up their act somewhat.
Finally, David, I apologise in advance if you find the follow unacceptable;
” If you are right about 5 million illegal immigrants, since we have ~ 2 and half million unemployed and most of them are going to have been born in Britain, most of your 5 million illegal immigrants must be working and not sponging off the state (illegals can’t claim benefits).”
This is more than likely true. It is common knowledge, at least around the area of London that I reside in, that there are a vast number of cash in hand workers (mainly in the building trade) taking work at vastly reduced rates and thus removing work opportunities from those seeking legal employment. Case in hand: the property that I reside in was recently purchased by two foreign nationals, renovated by an 8 man team of foreign workers that could not speak or understand English. These developers also own several properties in the area and out side of the Borough. Just one of many such enterprising groups exploiting this countries resources and work opportunities to UK born citizens.
Regards
David R
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So you don’t find number relevant? even though David has proven them to be pure outright lies and not numerically possible based on the populations of the places concerned?
So you don’t mind outright lies as long as they support the theories of the BNP?
It’s one of the things I find most laughable about the BNP, they spout lie after lie and when someone provides clear honest evidence to refute the lie, the evidence of fact becomes irrelevant to the BNP supporters which five minutes before was the most important point they were trying to make.
For the normal people reading these posts by the BNP supporters I hope what you are reading continues to show you that the BNP wouldn’t know true facts and figures, they only want to use figures that they can manipulate or that they believe cannot be proven wrong.
Lest take a recent case in point, Nick Griffin made a statement on the BNP website after last Thursday’s PMs Debate:
Lie Number 1: Mr Brown claimed that net inward migration had fallen for the past three years in a row.
The truth is that the most recently available figures only date from 2008, two years ago already. Mr Brown could therefore not have been quoting figures for 2009.
Now this one I knew wouldn’t bet that hard to prove to be yet another BNP lie, and guess what it took me all of 1 minute on Google to prove it:
Migration Statistics
Quarterly Report
No 4: February 2010
Net migration to the UK (the surplus of people immigrating over people emigrating) in the year to June 2009 was 147,000. This compares with 168,000 in the year to June 2008
If you would like to read the report yourself as unlike the BNP and it’s supporters the sensible people of this country actually provide links to the evidence of the lies told by the BNP.
The BNP lie to their supporters/members and people who read their website, but too many of these people are either to stupid to bother looking for the facts to verify the evidence (normally the members/supporters) the rest are normally people who look at the BNP website for some comedy affect and then wonder off and check the BNP claims and find the lies in such a short space of time.
Then like me and many other people spend the following 10 minutes laughing our socks off at just how easy it is to prove the lies of the BNP.
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