Found an interesting article on the BBC website:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/7949104.stm from the Daily Politics show back in March 2009. A poll was conducted with just over 1,000 eligible voters asking the following questions with the following answers. 1. The current economic crisis has made me more likely to support Britain joining the Euro Agree- 31% : Disagree- […]
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An update on SAFE “Synchronized Armed Forces Europe”
This point was raised by UK Forever on a previous page, and was something I said I would look into, I have done so and what I have found is the following:
The Parties that are firmly against ANY kind of full EU army (replacing national armies) are as follows
Conservatives
LibDems
UKIP
BNP
Green
It seems only the Labour Party are taking this one seriously, although they do also say they would NEVER allow our Armed Forces to be replaced.
So the idea that only the BNP and UKIP are oppossed to this is NOT the case MANY other parties are against removing our own Armed Forces.
So it’s basically a myth that our Armed Forces will be closed down and moved to the EU.
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Ever since the idea behind the formation of the EU there has been a history a new proposal put forward, the subsequent objection, then the compromise. In 1979 we were assured as a nation that our sovereignty would never be at risk if we joined the EU that it was purely a trading agreement; yet what has just happened.
As long as we are in Europe we will have this loaded gun pointing at our heads. Even though the above mentioned parties say they have no intention of allowing our armed forces to be replaced that can change at any time; at any time moving forward we could end up with another dictatorial Prime Minister such as GB who will happily sign away this last obstacle to our national sovereignty as a free nation. Maybe you can live that but I cant which is why I am voting for the BMP.
David said in a previous post that the BNP are paranoid; well if that’s the case it is because our eyes are wide open to the betrayal and mass deception of the last few decades. We have seen it all before and cannot be deceived any longer.
You wonder why I don’t argue the toss about policy; well it is because all parties promise the Earth before a general election, and then change them once elected. This is why so few people bother to vote, because they have lost all faith in the usual mainstream parties.
It is the bigger picture I look at, and at the moment it is horrendous. The BNP is now giving people a real choice (as shown in the poll above) that they have been denied for decades and they starting to realize that, despite the negative publicity from the media. Maybe they won’t win the next election like you said due to a like of candidates, but that is all changing and will continue to pick up momentum as the EU oppression continues to escalate
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But that’s a lot of coulda woulda shoulda though really, ANY political party can change it’s stance on any issue that includes the BNP.
Who’s to say if they were elected to Government that they wouldn’t suddenly change their minds on ANY policy?
So we can’t say just certain parties will change, the BNP has proven recently that it will change it’s mind, i.e. Changing Membership rules (just last year the party were determinded to never leave their nationalist roots, but they are).
Their website says they believe in Climate Change but now they say they don’t, see policy can change which EVER party you talk about.
So we can only go by the information they currently have, we can’t just decide to predict that one party will change direction but another one won’t.
So as it stands at the moment the above parties are against such a move, they are the facts available to us right now and we have to go with those facts.
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The main objections I currently have to the BNP and the Greens for that matter are that both the Greens and the BNP bother to acknowledge the current debt crisis or world financial cris we are in.
Neither offers any policy in order to pay back that debt, and the country cannot afford to have this debt hanging around for years, we need to reduce it and start to reduce it NOW.
Labour/Tory/LibDems all have detailed suggestions on reducing that debt and that’s what we need parties with full ideas and proposals to get the job done.
We are coming up fast on the elction and we need to know what each party plans to do on this issue, and so far it’s the Greens and the BNP (and the other smaller parties) that have NO clear policy or ideas on how to get this done.
Even UKIP are offering up policies and ideas to get it done, the people of the country ARE concerned about this and it can’t be ignored, but it seems that certain parties (not just the BNP Granted) have chosen to just ignor it.
We need a strong Government prepared to make the strong choices even if that means raiseing TAX (although not mine again I alrady pay the max rate), we need a strong Government with clear direction on public spending and how to cut it back and start to pay off the debt, if we don;t get a grip on it soon the value of the good old Briyish £ wil sink and be worthless and that would be bad in so many ways.
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OK seeing as though you keep asking here are the BNP’s policies for tackling the debt crisis taken from their website: –
Here’s the link
You may also be interested in the BNP’s plans to rebuild Britains economy
That’s NOT a policy it’s an article on the website, of which AGAIN the BNP have the numbers WRONG.
I agree we need a strong party to take us into the future. The liblabcons have all come up with ideas to reduce the massive debt the country faces mainly by increasing taxes that WE will have to pay.(none of us caused this, but it seems WE will have to pay for it).
Remember this £850 billion has been dropped on us like a bombshell.
I think its easy for these parties to come up with policy after policy to srink the debt, they will say anything to get the vote.
I think the BNP wont just make policy which sounds good, they will create a strategy which will actually work.
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Have you ever considered “to whom do we owe this money”? Which bank has so much money lying around that they can afford to loan it to a nation?
If you are not familiar with fiat money take a look at “Money as Debt” or, if you have the time, “The Money Masters” on Youtube or Google and then you might begin to understand a little better the economic mess we are in and why we don’t have to/shouldn’t pay back money to banks and why we should never have bailed-out any bank.
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As a wise man once told me, the only guarantee in life is that you wont get out of it alive.
Of course it is possible that the BNP could change theirs if elected. However their is a difference between the BNP and the other mainstream parties in as much as they have a track recor of being in government. A vote for any of them is a certain vote for more of the same treatment we have already recieved.
On the other hand the BNP is untested, it has no track record so all anyone can do is guess what a BNP government would be like.
The No 1 reason I support the bNP is because the current corrupt establishment is so hell-bent on discrediting them, so they must be doing something right.
Life is a gamble and sometimes you have to go with your instincts as to what feels right
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But a vote for the BNP is also a vote for a party that believe so strongly in World Wide Conspiracies that they could launch our Armed forces at any country because they believe they are “Out to get them”
With the BNP it’s conspiracy after conspiracy they can’t seem to come up with ANYTHING other than oohh another conspiracy.
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The EU is no conspiracy, it is a dangerous reality.
At least with the BNP we would have outr own country, our own identity (whats left of it) our own armed forces, our own health service, etc, or hasn’t anyone noticed how alternate labour and Conservative governments have systematically worked to destry every industry that is inuque to GB.
It is easy to understand why the army is underfunded, why the NHS is in meltdoown, the Royal Mail is on its knees, etc. Within the EU they will no longer be required as the European equivalents will eventually take there place
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Looking at it from an EU perspective then:
UKIP have better policies than the BNP, they also want to leave the EU, but they also have a workable Economic Policy (NOT Closing trade borders) and NOT becoming protectionist.
And they also have a plan for repaying the debt as well as still being an active part in the rest of the world.
So if it were just a choice of the BNP or UKIP if it came down to the EU question then UKIP is the better option.
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Yeah! there policies are so good and they thought so much of them that their party leader was willing to disband the Party if David Cameron would give the Country a referendum.
Just goes to show what they think of their own party and its supporters
It speaks voluimes doesn’t it
No really my concern as I don’t support UKIP either as they too would drop the EU something I am against.
The point is they will be fielding a rather large number of candidates in the GE so they have a real shot of gaining a real foothold in Westminster.
I work for a very large company that have offices around the world and employ over 5 thousand people in the UK, and in a few conversations we had a few months ago about which party would be best for the business in terms of policy.
My management clearly said that under the BNP Protectionism policy they would close the UK operations and move them elswhere in Europe and put 5 thousand people out of a job, because the UK end of the business could NOT survive under protectionism.
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Whereas the Tory and Labour government have sold most of our industry to foreigners (the Royal Mail looks like being the next victim) while the remainder are slowly being strangled by a never ending stream of new legislation
And the BNP answer to that is as follows:
To re-nationalise these industries, ok sounds great, but they ONLY intend to buy back shares from individuals, the rest (bought by Governments, Business etc) they will re-appropriate without paying for, so forceably remove said shares.
Which as ANY good lawyer would know it illegal in EVERY country of the world, and would lead to the British Government being dragged through EVERY court in the world and end up costing Billions to get out of.
So the BNP have a real grasp on how things work then, and for that matter they also suggest via the wonderful “Lawyer” Lee Barnes that companies owned by people like Murdoch (News International) would be taken over by British People who they choose to run the company for him.
Come on what bollox, you can’t steal someones company and replace the board with people you want to run it to suit you, it again is ILLEGAL and will cost this country a bloofy fortune to sort out.
See every argument you can come up with there is an answer for because the BNP are daft enough to make these quotes public via people like Lee barnes and they wonder why people think there ideas and policies WON’T work.
Damn they make it to easy.
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So can or should we really risk the future of our already damaged country to an unknowned, with NO logical policy other than Protectionism WHICH IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK.
Your so called Protectionism didn’t damage this Country. only alternating Tory and Labour policies can take the credit for that and a lot of people have more than had enough.
As I said before the BNP’s policies are untested so no one knows the benefits or otherwise unless they are given a chance. One can only guess.
Now thing are getting so bad, literally anything would be better than the failed LibLabCon merry-go-round
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It’s NOT my so called Protectionism it’s BNP Policy plain and simple fact.
And as for the Economy Policy heres an article I wrote recently about that policy:
In this article I want to tackle the British National Party (BNP) policy on the Economy, again following what will become my standard format for dealing with BNP Policy I will show you items from their policy and then give the reasons why in my opinion these policies cannot work in our country.
The first comment I would like to make on the BNP Economy Policy is based on the second line of said policy:
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It would probably be read by and commented on by more visitors if this was posted under the BNP Economy Policy page: https://general-election-2010.co.uk/bnp-policies-economy-british-workers-first/
It’s currently got no comments, which could say something for their grasp on economic policy.
I’ve posted all the BNP policies, updated them the other night to make sure they had the latest information in full. Done the same for Labour and Conservatives and plan to do the same for the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens (I regret adding the Greens policies, there are so many :-)).
David
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Thanks David, posted the Protectionism article there as well.
The Traitors in Westminster have been plotting the EU Project for decades, at least from the 60’s.
You should read below the pathetic attempts of the BNP trying to gain control over this and other websites in order to try and con people in to thinking the BNP are in some way winning are wasted.
Read the election results that have happened this week to see the real truth the BNP are NOT winning anywhere in fact they are losing one seat they did have was taken off them this week. So post as much crap as you like the British people see right through it anyway and vote for anyone but the BNP
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What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
Any party would be better than the BNP I haven’t decided which way I am voting yet but I can assure you it won’t be the BNP.
Griffin is basically a racist hiding behind some bullshit front and he can kiss my arse before ever getting my vote we don’t need people like him in this country.
Why!
What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
What have the BNP got?
Oh yeah racist policies it’s all the immigrants fault send them home. Like I said Griffin can kiss my arse before he gets my vote.
You still haven’t answered my question
What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
NOT A SINGLE THING WHICH IS FRUITFUL
Like I said I don’t know who I will vote for yet so why would I want to explain what the Tories have to offer?
Sorry!
I just assumed that as the BNP were as bad as you have been making out, you had found something about another party that was much better.
As you obviously haven’t got a clue about any party the only other conclusion I can reach is that you have latched onto the usual media “bash the BNP” frenzy like a sheep without doing any research or any logical arguements to back up your vitriolic comments
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
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My heart bleeds purple piss, you want to know why I can’t stand the BNP?
As a black man having the displeasure of meeting your hero Griffin I know from experience what he really stands for …… so if you think for one second any bullshit you could come up with will change my mind you need to think again
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my good friend Francis from Ghana lived in London for 30 years . he researched a book over 9 years about the e/u. he gave it to nick griffin at one of our meetings he looks forward to becoming our first black member he wishes to fight along side us for Britain . he has voted Tory and u-kip he is now 100% BNP he loves Britain with a [passion and does not like the way it is going he want out of the E/U.he will be out with nick in Barking in the new year god bless my friend Francis cadjho
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If i lived in the country you came from and was unhappy like in Zimbabwe, I would return to the land of my father like lots of white Zimbabweans have, they have learned the hard way they are not indigenous and after a few generations of living there they have been booted out.some may have tried to be Zulus but it didn’t work they have been massacred .If you do not like the indigenous people of Britain may be you should leave. If you like our people then vote for us! BNP 4 me
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I don’t need to read BNP Policy to know Griffin is racist I know from personal experience having been told by him to “go back where I come from” (which happens to be THIS COUNTRY
I think rather than banter BNP and lab/lib/con, you should investigate the English democrats. seems these people have got more good intentions than all the parties put together. I for one will be voting English Democrat.
it’s because of people like you that my country is being overrun with foreiners and our troops are being killed fighting an unwinnerable war for a corrupt afgan government, the Taliban have never been a threat to Britain..I,m BNP..British and proud of it.
Yes Yes Yes .Leave! but we will never have a say on this policy as it was already decided behind the scenes! We are supposed to be living in a domocratic society but we never have a say on any of the important issues. We should be allowed to have a say on these very important issues!!!! We could be saving so much money for our education, nhs and help for the disabled and elderly etc etc in this country. It would restore our belief in our lovely country and crippled economy and who wants to contribute to the death of the pound in favour of the Euro?
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an honest leader
nick griffin is indigenous to these islands if you don’t like that why did you come here in the first place to be educated fed clothed housed and then have the audacious cheek to deny us our heritage and you talk of nick griffin god bless him! You are a bit on the ungrateful side, we at least expect respect if you want to live among us!
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SaveUs, just who exactly do you think is going to improve life in Britain?
The Tories, who squander everything and tell the most outrageous lies just to get into power? Oh! A referendum on Europe? Not any more.
Labour, a proven track record of disaster?
Lib-dem, who want to hand even more power to Europe?
This is how it works..,
The Tories get into power and stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to Labour.
Labour stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to the Tory,
The Tory stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to labour….
And so on and so on.. You get the picture?
Now they have both screwed the country and betrayed us all.
You call yourself “SaveUs” – suggesting we need saving?
I agree, we do need saving, but the existing load of liars are not the ones to do it.
Save us, save Britain, Vote BNP.
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Get your facts right Rosie
Tories don’t squander – Labour does that.
Each time there has been a Labour ‘Government’the following Conservative one has to sort out the mess.
The last Con Governemnt left the economy in a good state. Such a good state that it has taken 13 years for Labour to completely destroy it and plunge UK into a big black hole. That what they always do only this time, thanks to Gormless, they have done it better!
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who gives atoss – just cos some bnp fascists have access to a computer, only proves that a trained monkey could type the bible given enoughh time.
Indeed hge could have wrote a Koran too!
Given enough time as a monkey!
EU Arrest Warrant Could Threaten Innocent People
Stephanie McWilliam explains the threat to innocent people posed by the European Arrest Warrant. She mentions examples including Andrew Symeou.
Worryingly, there is NO right of appeal or evidence requirement.
The European Arrest Warrant amounts to EU extradition on demand. This flawed legislation was drafted by Liberal Democrat, South West career politician Graham Watson MEP
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I’ve seen Labour in action, Cameron has said he believes EU membership is good for us, and Clegg makes no secret of his support for it.
My only alternatives therefore are the BNP and UKIP. UKIP wins hands down everytime. I’m not a racist and I don’t want policies based on race or skin colour and I’m not left wing enough to support their economic policies.
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The only reason I can see that Britain remains in the EU is that our politions have something to gain from it. How many former UK politions have found easy well paid Jobs in the EU? It seems to me that the only thing this country has got from the EU is dutch elm desese. I believe that we should leave NOW and make our own way in the world. One of the first benefits would be no right of settlement by Other people from EU Contries and we would be better off by billions of pounds a year.
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I know who I’m voting for – Liberal Democrats! I am in full support of the EU, since being in the EU we haven’t been dragged into another world war (America led us into Afghanistan and Iraq, Lib Dems have always been against these wars) a lot of our jobs come from EU and it’s good for trade. Also in today’s world we are too small to compete on our own, being part of Europe we are in a much better position. Also to all these BNP supporters, none of us are truly indigenous, Britain on the whole have been invaded so many times that we’re all mostly a mixture of saxon, roman, celtic etc. Immigration has been good for our economy and NHS (although there do need to be controls).
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Wow! Linzisue
Since being in the EU we haven’t been dragged into another world war (America led us into Afghanistan and Iraq, Lib Dems have always been against these wars)
As I remember from the recent iraq war enquiry Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were eager participants in those wars and DID NOT have to be led in, nor did any other EU country. The fact is they lied to us all.
A lot of our jobs come from EU and it’s good for trade.
Tell that to the BAE workers in Telford and Shropshire who have just heard that the new £1 billion Ministry of Defence contract for the CV90 armoured reconnaissance vehicle (originally to be built in Telford and Newcastle)has gone to General Dynamics in Spain and Autria.
Tell that to the 140 anti fraud Barclaycard employees who are losing there jobs because there operations are being moved to India
In fact, tell that to the many thousands of British people who are being openly discriminated against in favour of immigrants. A typical example of this is cooked meat manufacturer Forza AW who has effectively barred anyone but Poles for applying for jobs on its production line in East Anglia by insisting all staff speak the language fluently.
If we cant compete anymore, it is not because we as a country are too small, it is because, since the late 1980’s all our industries have been systematically sold off to foreign enterprises.
Being part of Europe we are in a much better position. How are we in a much better position. The amount of money given to the EU by our so called government far exceeds any benefits we derive from our membership.
If being in the EU is so beneficial, then why do so many people want out of it. Why do the LibLabCons refuse to give us our democratic right to a referendum on our EU membership.
In a democracy, those in power are entrusted to serve the people who elected them; not the other way round. The EU is nothing more than a self serving dictatorship we seeks to dominate and control such oppresive means as higher and higher taxation (the ficticous global warming agenda springs to mind), the break down of law and order, the displacement of populations by excessive immigration, etc, etc, etc,………. using methods of social engineering on us as devised by the Tavistock Institute in London (you can google it for more info)
With all the main parties singing from the same hymm sheet, its no wonder we look like getting a hung palaiment; that so many people haven’t got a clue who to vote for. Yet anyone or party that objects or speaks out against these measures is branded a rascist or fascist – talk about hypocritical
As for the other ludicrous comment “Britain on the whole have been invaded so many times that we’re all mostly a mixture of saxon, roman, celtic etc.”, the last time Britain was successfully invaded was in 1066, so that doesn’t even qualify. What makes a nation is its culture, its religous beliefs, its family values (sense of community) and its traditions; all of which are being deliberately and systematically eroded away
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What a load of anti EU and anti British rubbish!
The main reason why our traditional manufacturing industries have struggled considerably is the cost of living in the UK is far higher than places like China and some EU countries where the cost of living and quality of living is much lower (we can not compete on labor costs).
If you want a high standard of living in Britain, businesses have to pay relatively high wages. High wages means businesses that rely heavily on manual labor that can be run almost anywhere is the world are going to tend to move to developing countries where labor costs are far lower.
As long as British people want a high standard of living traditional industries that rely on ‘brute force’ labor are going to slowly, but surly move away from Britain.
The only way to turn things around would be to do what the Conservatives would do if they could get away with it, remove the national minimum wage and many of the protections British workers now have thanks to the Labour government. Then we might be able to compete on price with countries like China! Is that what you want, low wages and low quality working conditions?
It can’t be stopped, but it can be slowed and I think successive governments (especially Conservative governments) haven’t done nearly enough to slow the trend.
This is why the Labour government talks a lot about the new industries (green low carbon industries), if we are to keep our country moving forward, we have to look forward to these new industries where it’s not about hard labor to get a job done, but a highly skilled work force.
Has the Labour government done enough to promote British business, no, they can always do more, but it is no where near as bad as doomsayers like yourself make out.
This is a great country to live in, I’ve gone through hard time in the past, but now we have a very comfortable life, but if something ever went wrong I know the Labour governments policies have put a really strong safety net under hard working British families.
David
Decline of Traditional British Manufacturing Industries
“This is a great country to live in, I’ve gone through hard time in the past, but now we have a very comfortable life, but if something ever went wrong I know the Labour governments policies have put a really strong safety net under hard working British families”
I see this was written in March 2010 so you will now know that the “really strong safety net……” does not and never did exist under Labour. They almost bankrupted Britain with their excessive spending on everything other than “hard working British familes” and we have NOTHING to show for it but a country that is on its knees and will remain so for the next 10 years. I am so pleased to hear you are now comfortable. I hope you continue to remain that way but please keep your patronizing comments about how the rest of us benefited under Labour, to yourself.
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How can we call EU a dictatorship when all the MEPs are voted in by the European people? They also have proportional respresentation which is much fairer than what we have in UK parliament. Each party in all the EU countries are put into categories, you have the liberals, conservatives and the euro sceptics, how much power they have depends on how many people vote them in. A dictatorship is a one party country where the people have no power, completely the opposite to what the EU is. I also see you’ve bought into the BNP propaganda of ‘immigrants are taking away our heritage, taking our jobs, our traditions etc…’ This is all rubbish, cultures change throughout history anyway but I don’t see how they are stopping us from following our traditions, nobody is stopping me from going to church and nobody has taken my job! How many English people celebrate St George’s day? Immigrants aren’t stopping them. Back to the EU, it would cost us a lot more money to come out of EU, we’re also very powerful in the EU!!
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We may vote in MEPs as a form of window dressing to give the EU some appearance of being a respectable democracy. However, the law making emanates from a group of Brussels-based functionaries known as the European Commission who are unelected and unsackable. The grouping in Strasbourg are simply there to give a semblance of democracy but is in fact just a talking shop. The latest breaking news is the step-by-step removal of Habeous Corpus and its replacement by Corpus Juris – see yesterday’s (31.3.10) headlines on the trial without Jury. This is the precedent they wish to set using their normal ratchet-like introduction of unpopular and unannounced law making. Why did they recently wish to hold people without trial for so long? I imagine it is probably another example of European law-creep being attempted and falls in line with the Napoleonic Code of presumed guilt and then having to prove that you are innocent – Corpus Juris. Just one example of our loss of sovereignty!
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I agree with everything you said above! The drawbacks to being in the EU do not outweigh the negative aspects……our country is becoming a ghetto and an embarrassment. Please, if you have a moment. log on to www.esolidarity.co.uk and let us know what you think! We are a small group but we WILL grow in number to take on the big boys because unless we stand up against the likes of Labour and Conservatives with their hidden agendas and double-dealing, we as a country are finished! Thank you!
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No. We no longer have global hegemony with Pax Britannica so to think we could viably operate outside a body of nations is naive.
The tabloid-lead xenophobia is misleading and does not mention positive contributions the EU has made such as cross-border policing which makes it easier to track down criminals who cross borders and the many community facilities- such as university buildings and sports centres funded by the EU.
As well as being British I am a European. We may be an island and with that comes a certain island-nation identity but to pretend that ‘Europe’ is somehow another place is to ignore the very fabric of British history. From the Roman Conquest, Germanic Saxon Conquest, Norse Raids and integration, French based Norman conquest and Plantagenet dynasty to the Hanoverian influence on our monarchy, we ARE a European country. That doesn’t mean we cannot also have a strong but healthy sense of national pride as Britons.
I strongly support the concept of European unity, but that does not mean I am a slavish-EU supporter. I can see many faults with the institution including the arrogance of its bureacrats and poor public relations in terms of accountability.
I therefore support a reformed, more direct EU that respects national identities. I like Stirling as a currency and don’t see a major need for the Euro… yet at least.
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