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BNP crisis as Nick Griffin faces jail over whites-only policy
The British National party is facing a crisis in the run-up to the general election after it emerged that Nick Griffin, its leader, could be jailed over its illegal “whites only” membership policy.
Whitehall officials believe Griffin will be unable to comply in time with a court order forcing him to change the BNP’s constitution to admit Asians, blacks and members of other ethnic minorities.
They say the BNP’s membership is not due to vote on the constitutional change until after the court deadline expires towards the end of this month. Trevor Phillips, head of the government’s equalities watchdog, which won the legal ruling three months ago, has instructed his lawyers to be ready to ask the court to impose crippling sanctions, including a heavy fine or possible jail term against Griffin and Simon Darby, the BNP’s deputy leader.
Full Story: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
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I’m not normally one for conspiracy theories, but why do I feel like Nick Griffin/the BNP are setting the government up here?
If your research is correct that the BNP membership votes on the 31st of January, why would the BNP arrange for this vote 3 days after the court date?
I see four possibilities.
1. The BNP are completely incompetent and got the dates wrong!
2. The BNP are going to comply with the court ruling and hope the membership agrees a few days later (so much for the membership deciding policy etc…).
3. This is a delay tactic to keep the whites only membership rules until after the general election. The BNP might be counting on another extension for the vote to go ahead. I understand the BNP are concerned opening it’s membership to everyone could result in the lib/lab/con infiltrating it’s membership and taking over.
4. The BNP plan to play the martyr card, Nick Griffin is in breach of the court order and is arrested and put in prison for a short period of time. Nick Griffin might see this as a vote puller?
Like I said I’m not one for conspiracies, but something doesn’t sound right. I appreciate the BNP are not very good at organising things (like getting their finances in on time), but I find it hard to believe it’s a mistake they are having the membership vote 3 days after the court date.
Where’s me tin foil hat again :-)
David
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Well according to the Stormfront forum (can’t find the exact link to the tread at present it was a month or so back) the reason is as follows:
The BNP are concerned that the core (old school) members will reject the change of the Constitution so the BNP have decided that by making the vote happen on the 31st (a few days after the court hearing) Nick Griffin can then play a game with his own members using the line of prosecution and huge fines to sway the members to vote yes or they risk killing the party once and for all if they don’t vote yes.
However it looks like this plan could be back fire on them, as according to the original court order the change was meant to be fully agreed and the new section of the constitution prepared by the 28th, so unless they have already written it ready to be approved by the EHRC and courts then it could go a bit tits up.
That’s from the info I read a while back anyway, but it is stormfront so who knows how accurate that is.
I shouldn’t think the BNP would hang their hopes on a sympathy vote by holding out for Griffin to be arrested etc too risky in my opinion.
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And you also have to consider the other reason, Nick Griffin has constantly used the membership ban (that he ACTUALLY agreed to at the last court case) to drum up as much money as possible, as evidenced by the latest email that has been sent out by Griffin/BNP begging for donations:
“The British National Party needs your help!
Help us beat the Equalities Commission bullies!
Fellow British Patriot,
We are not out of the Equalities Commission quagmire just yet! We still have weeks before the imposed membership ban is lifted. This means we are still reeling from the most sickening act of political persecution yet seen in Britain.
At the end of the month, we have an Extraordinary General Meeting to vote on constitutional changes before the new Equality Act comes into force. Until then we are still in the same position that we was in before Christmas. The membership ban was a carefully calculated scheme to financially cripple our Party, so we cannot, under any circumstances, allow Trevor Phillips and Co to score a victory over the British Resistance.
Too much is at stake! Click on the button below and take some time to carefully examine our ‘party lifeline’…………….
Yours sincerely,
Nick Griffin”
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UPDATE
The BNP have now put the date back for the Constitutional vote to February 14th 2010, now real reason other than “beyond our control”
We’ll have to wait and see what the EHRC and the courts make of the excuse on the 28th
Another reason NOT to vote BNP
BNP hijacking of Sarah Payne tragedy sparks health worries
10/01/2010
BRAVE Sara Payne’s recovery from a massive blood clot on the brain could be hit after finding her tragic daughter’s murder has been hijacked by the British National Party, her family fear.
A BNP leaflet urging bringing back hanging for child killers carries a picture of eight-year-old Sarah Payne – and gives details of her abduction and murder by paedophile Roy Whiting in 2000.
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“To be manipulated like this for a political campaign without her knowledge is a slap in the face.”
A BNP spokesman denied it was exploiting Sarah’s murder, saying it was “a high-profile case”.
Source: https://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/
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You know what though, if the Conservatives or Labour considered bringing back capital punishment due to popular demand, and used the murder of Sarah Payne as an example of why they should, would they be accused of hijacking this?
I doubt it.
Without unwittingly supporting the BNP, the media is not exactly a level playing field is it? I think there are far too many double standards and hypocrisy and it’s why the BNP maintain support, they are victimised to some degree.
If you really want to show the BNP up for what it is, then the media should give it the rope it needs to hang itself, not pounce on it for whatever they say rather than just for the ludicrous things they say.
Capital punishment at this point in time is not such an unattractive thing to a lot of taxpayers who are funding a prison population of around 94,000. The awful murder of a little girl in this manner is exactly why we should have capital punishment returned, it may not have prevented it but it would provide some justice to her parents and those who knew her and not cost the hard-working people to fund this awful man in prison.
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“You know what though, if the Conservatives or Labour considered bringing back capital punishment due to popular demand, and used the murder of Sarah Payne as an example of why they should, would they be accused of hijacking this?”
I think they would be accused of hijacking something like this for political gain.
I’d hope when the main three parties use a terrible crime like this for political reasons (to support a policy) they’d get the permission of the family first. If not, they should, especially if a member of the family is ill and could damage their health!!!
You know it’s bad enough the media tramples on the privacy of family members in high profile crime case, ALL our political parties should at least tread carefully.
The BNP consistently use images of people who do not support the BNP in their campaign material and in some cases simply lie about a person within a photographs support for the BNP. As they are trying to change public opinion of the British National Party they are not very good at decision making!
At best it makes them appear incompetent and at worst uncaring and disrespectful of others rights : how would the BNP supporters reading this feel if one of their family members died of a violent crime and it was used for political gain by the Conservatives or Labour for a new law you might not support?
BNP supporters here have commented quite a bit saying the BNP are not like the other parties (BNP are supposed to be better), but this sort of thing suggests they are at best just like the other political parties.
David
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There was a tv program called Ku Klux Klan on last night it started with a stat
American KKK have 5000 members
Thought the American KKK had many more members.
Theres a YouTube video of Nick Griffin at a KKK meeting.
The BNP have said he was there to change the white supremacists minds.
If this is the real reason for Nick Griffin being a guest speaker at Ku Klux Klan meetings now we know they only have 5000 members it doesn’t make sense. Why would the leader of a mainstream legitimate non racist British political party meet with such a small group of American white supremacists?
He was there to drum up support and money from his American brethren, like the Americans used to fund the IRA Nick Griffin was looking for a hand out from the American Ku Klux Klan terrorists who Nick Griffin says he has the same goals.
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That video is the lamest excuse for disliking any party I can think of. Thats my opinion. Now you want a reason?
His (Griffins) being there was simply to show those US citizens how to “sell yourself” to the general public.. I have never in all my days have come across any politician who does not use these tactics.
Madder still.. Look how old it is!!! If I made a list up of all the unlawful, immoral, lies and plain nasty acts from the big three politicians; just from their last term of office. You would have to hold your head down in shame!
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But then again look at the fact that Nick Griffin is due to be the guest speaker at a White Supremacists meeting in the USA on Feb 15th.
So doesn’t make that video all that irrelevant as it seems he is doing it again very soon.
@VoteNo ToBNP
You have threats off false spybook members etc. and you say the police are powerless? Either you are lying and/or you now know they are not here to enforce the law but to ensure the taxes (fines) are paid to their masters.
Would you like to see some White supremacist videos
on attacking Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan? .. and you call who nazis?
How about Home grown Muslim supremacist videos from our politicians and Lords? Theres plenty of them around too.
How about the unending proof this state has become nothing more than a fascist, crime/camera ridden, tax theft nation of sheep?
how about looking back to what our oldest and greatest politicians said and their points of view..Like Keir Hardie and Winston Churchill. They would of been kicked out of their parties these days for uttering such honesty, wacism, love of the British people and truth.
Or would you like to see Whitey bashing laws, statutes and news media sources that have been twisted and obfuscated so much that at times the (white) victims are made out to be the criminals?
Or maybe you would like me to quote yougov stats how ‘multiculti’ (which its not) has lowered the tone of this nation, until you too, are sick to the bowels of the shame this nation has become?
I’m beginning to think you are a bigot.. lol
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“His (Griffins) being there was simply to show those US citizens how to “sell yourself” to the general public.. I have never in all my days have come across any politician who does not use these tactics.”
You just put your BNP foot in your mouth.
Why would any decent British person want to teach American racists who are known murderers of black Americans (the KKK in recent history have hung black people!) how to “sell themselves”???
I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be seen in the same room with people like that and any British politician with half a brain wouldn’t either.
I’ve not seen Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg etc… in their past teaching members of the KKK how to sell their white supremacist ideas to a mainstream audience. Feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken?
“Look how old it is!!! If I made a list up of all the unlawful, immoral, lies and plain nasty acts from the big three politicians…”
BNP supporters have already created such a list, it’s been posted on my site multiple times. You can find the lists for the main three parties on the BNP’s own website.
Here you go:
Example from the list:
That’s 1982 about the same time the British National Party was formed by the racist/Nazi/fascist John Tyndal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall_%28politician%29 who liked to wear Nazi uniforms and pose for photos in front of a Nazi Swastika
So if the commenter above called “SAY NO TO BNP 2010” is wrong for referring to Nick Griffin’s recent past (April 2000 isn’t that long ago) surely the BNP websites Labour criminals list is even worse going back at least 27 years! Let me know what their response is when you contact them about it.
Lets for one minute imagine if Nick Griffin has changed his colours, why has he not apologised to the various groups (like Jews, blacks and Asians to name a few) he and the National Front/BNP have gone out of their way to hurt in the past)?
People make mistakes, I know I have, but it’s how they act now and in the future that really matters. I have seen no evidence Nick Griffin or the BNP have really changed. He has not apologised for his comments on the holocaust: how hard would it for him to say on Question Time, I was wrong about the holocaust, it did happen, millions of Jews died at the hands of the Nazis and I’m sorry for disrespecting their loss.
Instead we got the waffle he gave.
David
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Ah David you mean the wonderful reason he gave being “I’m not allowed to say why I have changed my views because the EU Law won’t allow me to” or something along those lines.
What an idiot, there are NO European or even UK laws that would prevent him from explaining what he now believes, and he really expects people to believe what he says when he tries to use some no existant EU law (which he doesn’t even want to be a part of) to explain away why he changed his mind.
The real reason he changed his mind is to try to appeal to more voters, and the so called EU Law was an excuse because he didn’t know how to explain himself without upsetting too many of his own party members the serious hardliners which he needs to keep happy to keep the money coming in.
Griffin changes his mind and policy with the wind to appeal to whatever sections of the voters he is trying to capture this week.
Then look at his dumb ass comments on Haiti just this week, I’m sure that lost he MANY potential votes, he should have known better than to alienate a massive proportion of the British voting public who continually give very generously when any disaster happens anywhere in the world, but Griffin decided to say what he said, and has repeated in the EU Parliment just yesterday …. and AndyJ do you really want this plonker to be Prime Minister?
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If Nick Griffin had changed his mind on the holocaust to now believe what the vast majority of historians and the average British voter believes:
The Jewish holocaust happened and the Nazis were evil, despicable people who killing millions of innocent Jews during World War II.
That’s what I believe and I’d be quite happy to go to any European country and say it in a court of law with no reason to expect legal problems from doing so.
I would be interested to hear from any BNP supporter which EU law stops Nick Griffin saying something like the above?
Since Nick Griffin refuses to talk about the holocaust now for fear of some EU law, that strongly suggests what he believes is against the law in some European countries.
The only law that comes to mind is holocaust denying laws, which if he now believes the holocaust happened he’s at no risk of falling foul of. And that suggests he still denies the holocaust, but now only says it behind closed doors.
Any BNP supporter (anyone) feel free to show where my arguments above do not make sense.
David
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Oh the BNP have only 5000 members. Did I read you correctly?
you must know that is an outright lie.
When the 12,500 BNP members list was leaked. There was approx. 75 members in my town. Since the Euro elections and Griffin was shoved into a bear pit on TV. The membership grew by an extra 35 fully paid up members. So much so they had to find a much larger venue. – This is off a local blog-.
One day I’ll get me into one of these meetings, if only to check out the type of people who go there…. Especially if the state paid ranting robots are there too. Then I will simply sit on the fence and think. Should I vote for what they stand for or should I vote what they stand for..
Chris said earlier there is little difference between the main parties. He is soo right! I want nothing that the big three stand for.
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Well according to the BNP’s official 2008 accounts (available from the Electoral Commission website) they have a little over 9,000 paid up members.
As for attending a meeting according to what other BNP member say you need to be a member or at least a VERY close friend of a paid up member to be allowed in to their meetings.
There membership has been closed for some months now, due the the current Court Order baring them from taking on new members un till they change their membership rules.
Nick Griffin claims this is enforced on them however the court order clearly says that Nick Griffin agreed to change the membership policy by the 28th Jan, and to get the current voting members to agree to the change before the 28th Jan.
However they have now put off the vote un till Feb 14th after the court date where they agreed to have the job done, so currently breaking a previously agreed court order.
The Electoral Commission are also investigating their last set of accounts and considering possible prosecution for the state of the accounts their own auditors refused to sign off as correct.
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And a p.s The last set of accounts (revised version) currently on the Electoral Commission website shows the BNP are actually £160,000 in debt and not the £86,000 the BNP are claiming, so they have had to send in a revised set of “more accurate” accounts that show they tried to lie on the previous set, although the Electoral Commission still don’t seem to believe they are accurate and are still investigating.
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What is Nick Griffin playing at with the membership vote and the court case!
Any speculation going around as to what will happen at the end of this month when the BNP are in breach of the court order?
David
“Oh the BNP have only 5000 members. Did I read you correctly?”
I read it as the American KKK have only 5000 members, he/she didn’t say anything about how many BNP members there are.
David
Of course Michael doesn’t want to state BNP policies, he knows perfectly well that if he did he’d have to justify these absurd rantings. Griffin is the same whenever he is interviewed, when he’s asked about any specific policy he disembles. That’s because the BNP know that most voters never read manifestos, most voters only have a vague idea where the parties stand on the political spectrum. Most voters have a vague idea that the BNP are anti-immigration. Of course the fact that we have a far-right neo-fascist press in the UK helps the BNP enormously, just recall all those Mail and Express headlines about asylum seekers and immigrants.
What makes me laugh is the claim that the Labour Party is letting in lots of immigrants to boost it’s own vote share, as any half literate person knows immigrants can’t vote in general elections, only people with citizenship can vote in general elections.
But what about so called “repatriation”? I’d like to know about that. If the BNP believes that non-white British people should be “repatriated”, then does that also apply to, for example, the white people from America, Australia and Africa? Are we to expect millions of so called “white” people to descend on our shores as they are “repatriated back here”?
As always with the loony right their policies don’t bear up to the mildest of scrutiny and seem to have bee written by the mentally unstable.
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I think immigration is a good thing, I like diversity, I like living in a multicultural environment, I like the fact my children get to go to schools with children from other cultures. I don’t think being “white” should give me more privileges. I know that immigrants don’t get preferential treatment when it comes to housing or jobs (the BNP’s big lies).
I know that the reason that the UK is a wealthy country is because we stole a great deal of that wealth from the countries we invaded when we had an empire. I know that much of that wealth is derived from things like the trans-Atlantic slave trade. I’m not “proud” of our history or heritage because I know that much of it consists of invading other countries and murdering or enslaving the indigenous population (to use a work beloved of BNP extremists).
So the BNP certainly isn’t listening to people like me. I don’t understand why I’m supposed to be “patriotic”, the UK is not composed of a single ethnic group, it’s a lie to say that “white British” people have a single defined identity. “White British” people is a heterogeneous group that includes many ethnicities, including Welsh, Scots, English and Irish, but also Manx. Even English people are not exactly homogeneous, many Cornish people do not consider themselves English.
I think that wrapping yourself in the flag of patriotism is to be blind to the fact that the state is a political institution and not a cultural identity. The UK is an artificial political organisation, it’s current incarnation is less than 100 years old (when it became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was it 1922?), it’s not an immutable or historically ancient entity. We are not one people, but many people, and the more heterogeneity we have the better as far as I’m concerned. I hate the idea that the BNP wants to kill off our regional and cultural identities and turn us all into unthinking clones.
Long live diversity I say !!
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“BNP member given 11 years for making bombs and guns”
Is anyone surprised?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/15/bnp-member-jailed-guns-bombs
You know, I’m sorry to say this, Dave, but…I have to agree with the BNP on some respects. I just don’t think the Mainstream Parties any longer represent the White working class that voted them in.
I don’t fully trust the BNP, but I do think they have every right to say what they wish, just like we do about them.
But also, you and many others need to understand that instead of just slamming everyone who openly supports the BNP, what you and the mainstream parties SHOULD be doing is try to understand WHY people are voting for them. Then, you must tackle the issues that the BNP are clinging onto. People who vote for the BNP aren’t always racist. They may just be so frustrated with the Mainstream Parties, they’re looking for people with extreme answers to these extreme problems.
You have to understand that slamming them only strengthens their resolve.
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To be totally honest, the great British (white, or any other colour) don’t actually vote BNP in any great numbers anyway, so the BNP are not actually the political power house they seem to think they really are.
If you take a look at the numbers:
Westminster MP: 650+ BNP MPs = 0
EU MEPs = )UK) 72 BNP MEPs = 2
UK Councillors = 20,000 + BNP Councillors 55-60
So the BNP don’t hold any real power over the country as a whole, the strongest council they did have had 9 councillors out of around 60, one of those councillors quit the BNP the other week Alby Walker and now intends to stand against the BNP Depity Chairman Simon Darby in Stoke-On-Trent Central in the General Election, Alby Walkers wife who is also a BNP councillor on the same council is currently considering her position and looks as though she to will quit the BNP.
Many high profile members of the BNP have recently left the party and gone back to the National Front, so far from growing the BNP seem to be faltering and losing members.
Wakefield by-election (held just last week) in 2008 the BNP came 2nd, in 2010 the BNP came 3rd losing almost half of their previous voters, so again it doesn’t look like the BNP are gaining any real ground.
The BNP claim to be fielding some 200 candidates in the 2010 General Election so far they have only confirmed 62 so it doesn’t look as though (at this point) they will be able to musta up enough people to stand in the GE.
So as far as a power base and rising support goes the BNP really are just another small party who cannot demand media coverage or claim to be something special.
So in terms of a website like this the BNP really does fit in to the “other” party category as they don’t command enough power to be classed as a “main” or even “secondary” party.
UKIP and the Green parties have far more representation at council level, including UKIP having 13 MEPs and the Greens have 2 the same as the BNP.
The BNP won 2 EU seats based on around 10,000 less votes than the previous EU Election total votes 943,000 and the Greens got 2 MEPs based on 1.3 million votes, UKIP polled far higher, so again the BNP are not the powerful force they claim to be.
Since the 2009 EU Elections the BNP haven’t won ANY MP by-elections, or any more council seats, in fact they have lost seats on local council, so going backwards not forward.
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