Far right political groups in the UK (throughout Europe) are concerned at what they see as the spread of the Islam/Muslim faith, the so called Islamification of Britain/Europe/America et al. The concern is the Islam/Muslim faith will replace the current main faiths (Christian, Catholic etc…) and way of life and even laws in those countries. […]
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I never understand why people always take extremist views to heart.
The majority of any population will not hold these extreme views.
BUT If we’re treating the ‘Islamification’ of Britain as a real issue:
I don’t think we should Islamify Britain – my parents are black and they came to this country and fit in, and loved doing so. They respect the country as it is – if they didn’t like it, they would have left.
If any people are trying to impose Islamic regime then they can be considered but not agreed with just in the name of ‘equality and equal rights’ – they must integrate into the British way of life as they found it or move on.
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well said Amanda, I am white British but does it matter? black british, white british we don’t want these Islamic extreemist in our country, they hate us but dont mind taking money from our wealfare system, how long would we last in their country spouting off? this country must be a laughing stock to the rest of the world thanks to Brown and his party.
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Bang on George2, I’ve travelled all over the world and I know ( because I have been taught the virtue of RESPECT)that it is better to abide by local customs.And that is not just respect for people who are the same religion as me it means all humankind. Well it did do. the muslims/islamics….whatever have alienated themselves in my eyes and the sooner they are driven out , the better .They can not enter any community without the intent of taking over, that is thier way,along their sole belief that they are the first ,the premier ,the almighty .Sharia law is a disgusting example of inequality.Particulaly for females.
I am nothing to do with BNP and hopefully never will be .but i know i’ve had enough of this crap .DO NOT VOTE LABOUR !!!!!!!
ANYONE WHO IS IN ANY DOUBT OVER MUSLIMS INTENTIONS LOG ONTO YOUTUBE AND TYPE IN “TRUE FACE OF ISLAM”and prepare to be outraged to the point of wanting to hurt someone
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@ Amanda-
well said, I am a British Sikh, and Sikhs have always aided the British from being the largest volunteer arm of the British army during the war, to integrating into soceity (you will hardly find a Sikh in the news in a negative light).
Islamification is not just a word, its a serious threat, looking at the Netherlands & rest of Europe, it seems the UK is heading this way also.
Its (1) mass immigration, and (2) population explosion. Europeans tend to have on average 1.2-1.6 children, but we have seen muslims having average 5.5-8. This is not enough to sustain a community, & already muslims are becoming majority in many european states. This is a quest for a global islamic state (khalifah) by stealth jihad, & it doesnt help that we are sitting with our head in the sand !
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Hi Raymond
Good to see that you are telling people the truth about Islam. May be you will be joining the BNP soon? Truth is the BNP welcome people with open arms who love this country, its customs and its people who live in peace. Thanks again
Jon
I have just been reading the past comments on this subject and I can say that claims of Islam being compared to nazism is really ridiculous. Muslims don’t kill or don’t want to kill people of another faith or religion. Islam is in fact a peaceful religion and only come to britain so they could make a better life for themselves. It is rather selfish to think that Muslims come to only this country. Islma is a growin religion all around the world in many different countries.
BTW someone had said earlier that the Quran is false and denies that Jesus is the son of God. Well that is true, they do deny this, but muslims believe that God is not man, woman and has no form. Islam says that Jesus was in fact a prophet of God. However the bible was written by people, it has been changed over periods of time, and christians still believe in the word of men. However the Quran was sent down to earth and has not been changed once.
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continueing from my comments earlier, I want to just add, How can a person think that all muslis are terrorists. I feel that just because of the war on iraq has influenced the minds of people this has lead them to believe that all muslims are terrorists and a threat to humanity.
As for bans on the nativity plays in schools, well thats just ridiculous, Islam does not prohibit anyone for acting in a play as Mary and joseph. In fact Islam only prohibits people acting as Jesus as he is one of the prophets and no one could ever replace them or even be like them.
As for places of worship the word is masjid not mosque.I feel that many christians get frustrated that there are many places of worship for Muslims, this is the governments fault, so if anyone is to blame its not the religion its the government.
well only ignorant people would say that Islam is all about curries and chillies, well it’s not. people of the indian and asian cultures eat curry and spices. Muslims are from all different cultural backgrounds, some were in fact christians and have converted their faith.
Islam is not trying to replace the different faiths of people. Yes they are more strict in rules and there are more restrictions but Islam is not trying to take over Britain.
In fact Islam has now become a burden for some muslim people because they are too busy trying fit in with the british way of life. Therefore muslim people are looked down upon.
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– we can be thankful for muslims who do not fully follow islam, as these are the moderates.
However, if we look across europe, there is a stealth-jihad going on, which aims, through population explosions, to takeover the host society..
please read history of lebanon.
Lets be right about this…God did’nt make man it was man who made God, look at your history, more people have been killed or gone insane through religious hysteria than any thing else, peacefull islamic people should be be left to worship if thats what they want, personally I have never read the Koran, but I would’nt think it says women should be completely covered, perhaps it’s the dominance of the male of that culture, it’s all a bit biblical.
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That’s total bollocks. Muslim /Islam believe all other faiths are infadels and will go to Hellfire .They promote war between other religions in order for them to reign supreme. They should live and let live like the rest of the planets’ inhabitants.But preferably not on our soil , thankyou very much !
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true ian-
most people havent picked up islamic writings..
.. its scary how non-muslims are to be “kill them whenever you find them”…. etc
@ SB –
when people say deny islam shouldnt be compared to Nazism, and cal it peaceful,
they are either (1) muslims, or (2) have not read the koran, hadthiths, sunna …
.. and are being deceived by islamicists who are permitted by the koran (al-TAQQUIA) to decieve the unbeliever.
islam is a threat. they do kill people because they bomb our country and bring terroris. im not saying all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims or of a close ethnicity. they are a threat and i believe anyone born in this country is british but if you come here trying to change things to the way you want, if you come here and sprout kids off one after another you are taking over our country. they tell us our religions offend them, we cant have christmas or st georges day but they can have all the holidays they want. nobody will do anything because they are scared of being called racist. we are only trying to keep our country safe from being taken over completely. i agree with george1 and amanda. They are spot on
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Muslims do not kill people? so who has been planting the roadside bombs that have killed over two hundred of our troops? who flew the planes into the twin towers? who blew up two tube trains and a bus in London Noddy and Big Ears? get real…
Islam is a threat and it is not peaceful. You say you come here for a better life but UNLESS you can RESPECT our customs then you have no place in the British Isles. That is what the British people feel. If we went to Saudi we would have to RESPECT Saudi laws which is one of the reasons I shall never set foot on arabic land.
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time and tme again i have to say this IGNORANCE IS DUE TO THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, PICK UP A BOOK AND EDUCATE YOUR MIND.
Look at it realistically come on there is NEVER going to be a “islamification” of britain the media and extremists parties such as the BNP do thier far share and brainwshing people of this country and it seems it is done very easily, especially when the issue concerns ISLAM. ISLAM IS A RELIGON OF PEACE unfortunately there are some people who claim they are muslims and then go around killing innocents in the sick acts of terrosim and then use religon t back up ther sick actions. The Qu’ran states that killing one human being is like killing the whole of humanity and saving one human bieng is like savng the whole of humanity. What islamophobes do these days is take verses out of the QU’ran and misnterpret them. YES I AM MUSLIM, YES I AM PROUD AND YES I AM AGAINST TERRORISM.
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I totally agree with you Hajera. I feel that people do need to pick up a book and educate themselves. Some people think that it is us muslims that need to learn the british way of life, but really i believe that it is themselves need to reducate their minds.
Some people of this British society, such as BNP, believe that it is Islam that needs to be wiped out of this country but i feel that they are scared and are hiding their true feeling of fear that Britain will have more Islamic people than other religions and faith. They fail to realise that our religion is strong and can convert anyone into our faith. Islam is all about morals and people who believe that Islam is all about jihad and terrorism well they need to take a good look at their country and what they are doing to afghanistan and Iraq!!!!!
All I want to say to these people is wake up and quit contradicting urself and your faith!!!!
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Sorry S.B but it is comments like this that feed parties like the BNP
“They fail to realise that our religion is strong and can convert anyone into our faith”
What you are giving over their is that Islam is on a mission to convert everyone to the religion. Now I personally take offense to that as I have said before I do not follow any religion and this is mainly due to two facts:
1. They are all pointless and really crap stories
2. People who follow religions heavily are always trying to ‘convert’ people.
We live in a world of personal choice not being dictated to, people want to make their own choices in this life and not be told which religion or path they should pick.
In my opinion religion of whatever denomination is the cause of most of the ills of the world which is being demonstrated by the BNP in British politics claiming that Islam is trying to take over the country and all you have actually managed to do as a muslim is enforce that line the BNP use by your comment.
Politics should in my opinion have no place for religion. Please be more thoughtful in the statements you make all you are doing is helping the BNP with your statement.
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“They fail to realise that our religion is strong and can convert anyone into our faith.”
Although I agree with the rest of your comment generally, the above isn’t true, same as it’s not true Christians can convert anyone to Christianity. Both religions are strong, otherwise they wouldn’t have so many followers.
I’m an atheist, have no problem with anyone following a peaceful religion: Islam, like Christianity for the most part is peaceful, both (almost ALL) religions have their extremists, and I’m afraid you would never convert me to any religion.
Closest thing I have to faith, is faith in science, so you’d have to provide uncontroversial evidence not only a God exists, but your religion follows that God.
In my discussions with others who I’ve debated with regarding religion, the general theme is you have to have faith “we are not supposed to be able to prove there’s a God”.
David
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you guys make me laugh, always on about how strong your Islamic relegion is, this is a Christian country, you came here and joined us we did.nt join you and another thing, we have civilised ourselves, as far has I know there have been no famous Islamic: painters, builders, poets,I could go on but I wont, most of us treat our women with respect, not as second class citizens who have to walk around covered up, because there husbands say so, if we are so bad..Go home! up the BNP!
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BUT YOUR RELIGION IS NOT PEACEFUL.
Christianity isn’t a peaceful religion either. Currently two Christian nations have taken over two Muslims nations. Are Christians really more peaceful than Muslims?
Iraq did nothing to the UK, yet with the USA we invaded and took them over. What would we as British patriots do if another country attacked us with an argument like “we MIGHT use weapons of mass destruction”? I’d do pretty much what the insurgents did in Iraq to try to protect my country from foreign invaders!
We have weapons of mass destruction and the USA and Russia are as far as I’m aware the only two countries since World War II to come close to using nuclear weapons (during the Cuban missile crisis). It could be argued we and the USA are a bigger threat to world peace than Iraq ever was as we actually have WMDs that we are prepared to use.
Afghanistan harboured and promoted terrorism against the USA culminating in 9/11, so it can be argued the Afghan war, though not a very smart tactical move was a justified war.
No Muslim country has declared war on the UK in my life time. I don’t recall ever being bombed by a Muslim nation.
To argue Islam is not peaceful because of a minority of extremists while the majority of politicians in a Christian country you live in voted for war is hypocrisy to say the least.
Thank God I’m an atheist and can’t be blamed when religious followers cause conflict in the world.
David
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So why don’t you join the british army and go to your country and help the brave soldiers that are protecting you and your families. No you would rather drain our economy and send the proceeds back home.
If you believe in peace stand up and be counted
@ Hajera Graham-
– i think your wrong- moderate and even extremists use peaceful verses, that are abrogated/cancelled in the koran to say to the west that islam is peaceful. But mohamed was given later VIOLENT orders for the koran which were cancelled by allah “because allah has given you something better” (as it says in koran). So the later ones like in koran verse 9, which order muslims to kill unbelievers are valid according to islamic law.
Plus, muslims are allowed to deceive (al-TAQQUIA) so may use these wrong peaceful verses to lie to the west as to their real motive.
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Like the faith in our govenment
Faith is a joke,the strong will always win
preach whatever faith you like at home, then leave it at home
i was born a christian,but got a brain at about 6 years old and realised god is in the mind of those who cant think for themselves, they need someone to look upto,to blaim for the things that go wrong in their lives
and any group who go around preaching about something that never existed are loonies and all need medical help
then removing from this country in white jackets
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Sorry max wilkinson, i disagree with you, Islam does believe in God and yes we do look upto him. But we do not not blame him for all the things that go wrong. We infact thank him for all he has done. It is not the fault of god that there are wrongs in the world it is actually the fault of people. We look upto god for guidence. Difficulties come our way because god inflicted them on us as he believes that this will make us stronger not weaker.
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God.Allah or whatever you want to call him always seems to be elsewhere when he is needed in a crisis?
But something to think about is that whenever there is a crisis, nobody seems to remember God, so how do we call him. Whenever there seems to be a crisis we forget God, wenever we are happy we forget to thank god. Whenever we are upset we forget to ask God to help.
S B. there must have been people in Tsunami who prayed to God all the time..look what happened there, all them people drowned, if we all sat around praying, nothing would get done you must remember that religious texts such as the Koran, the Bible and hebrew parchments ect. were written by man as they saw things 200years ago, a world steeped in superstision, people controlled by the fear of the wrath of God, God, by the way that nobody has ever seen, everybody is entitled to there beliefs, me, I believe there are too many foriegners in my country with too much to say.
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Well George2, I want to just say that after the Tsunami struck, the place where people drowned, actually many of the population there have stronger faith in God. I don’t want to disrespect anyone but Atheists believe that God does not exist so u cnt put the blame on God, so y dnt we put the blame on science and mankind.
All muslims believe that life is a test. Therefore the Tsunami was part of a test from God, to see whether people can still keep their faith in him. This test was to make people stronger in soul, spirit and faith.
And by the way the spelling is not “koran” its Quran.
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Ok SB..I admit I was wrong:Qur’an not Koran, how about you? lets talk about how relgious Muslims are, they flew two planes into the world trade centre then there was the train bombing in madrid dont lets forget about all the children killed in that school in Russia after taking them hostage 1400 years of Islamic history riddled with death and terrorism from the days of Muhammad to Alzarqawi and I could go on.. maybe God or Allah as you guys call him was testing us.
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Religion is unnecessary – it creates conflict. Me? I am a spiritualist/Christian and I do not care who laughs! I believe there is a supreme being but we are given free will – remember that. As far as this life being a test, yes it is. When religion ceases – all religions – and people understand that we must all treat each other with respect and love, we might just get somewhere. Islam though is tyrannical and that is the problem and it certainly has no place within British society. Britons fought long and hard for a woman’s right to vote, a woman’s right to education and a woman’s right to work. Mrs Pankhurst would turn in her grave if she knew what was going on right now. If this country accepts Islam in the future, it will send us back to the dark ages.
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there is no god or allah or whatever. it is up to us to make choices in life, deal with things, theres good luck bad luck we make it all ourselves dont pray that he will help you because you will just sit back not helping yourself hoping there will be a miracle in crisis and only you can change how things go . god etc is all a fairytale to make people feel better in time of need, when they need to blacme someone, or hope things will get better
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I disagree with the fact people claiming all muslims are terrorists, how can we discriminate all muslims to be same? everyone is bought up in different cultures and understandings. Religion is taught differently to everyone, everyone has a different understanding. And yes there are those who are extreme and believe Islam has killing related to it. But have you thought the upbringing of these people, bad society, culture, the people they have been bought up with who havent really taught them the righteous way of Islam?
And some of the above comments which state the fact Islam is peaceful religion it really is. The things written in the Quaran once read are true and are happening and it has nothing to written in it about killings or such but to be an idol image of God.
These extremist who are killing are taught Islam the wrong way they have no sense of direction to what it is really about due to the influence.
Muslims should not be discriminated all as terrorists.
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Well said R.
I am white british and christian. I do not believe that Muslims are a threat at all. The only threat is the extremists and as someone mentioned above every religion has it’s extremists so why is it just the islamic faith being singled out? Many people in this country are just ignorant and uneducated. I believe the treatment by some people towards Muslims and the fact people accuse every muslim of being a terrorist will only fuel the extremist views and give them reason to preach hatered. I am against the extremists but also against extremists in every religion.
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annie-
i disagree, you think uneducated people think islam is a terrorist religion.
Im afraid- its those who have NOT EVEN looked at the koran, hadiths, sunna.. who are uneducated- making claims that islam is peaceful.
– When you have read texts that condemn all non-muslims to convert or die, to lie to host communities until you are in power … then speak with authority!
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No-one has said that all Muslims are terrorists – that is not the point. Fact is that it is always the weak who give in to the strong! So let’s say you have one strong aggressive Muslim and one weak one ie one hell bent on creating an extreme Muslim nation together with Shariah law – if that happens we are lost. Who is to say that cannot or will not happen? Can you see through a crystal ball. If you are wrong, will you take the place of the man who is about to have his head chopped off. Let me give you an analogy: you remember the Red Squirrel that used to inhabit the UK? Do you know what has happened to them? Well they exist now only in the farthest areas of the North of these isles. Why? Because grey squirrels were brought over from North America. They might look cute and cuddly but they are ferocious and have driven out the kind, sweet, red squirrel. If you don’t believe me then google it.
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Islam is the purest form of evil, just like all other religions.
There is “NO GOD”. god is manmade. Only STUPID, STUPID braindead people believe in god it’s all a crock of s**t. I hate what Muslims are doing to this once Great Nation, it must stop NOW.!
Dai Drw wat do u propose to do then. Im sorry but do u have proof that God is manmade? do u have any sort of proof that he does not exist? Islam is actually not pure evil. No religion is evil. It is in fact the thought and the intention of a person that is bad. Religion is not to blame, it is a persons upbringing and their teachings that are evil. And I woull like to ask wat are muslims doing to ur once great nation? Not all muslims are pure evil.
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I agree with S.B as i think Islam is not the same as nazism. Islam is a peaceful religion. I want to ask how can you be sure that there is no God. The world has to end one day in the future, how do u propose that will happen. Where will the human species go. What will happen to their souls? And what do u mean Dai dwr, by “I hate what muslims are doing to this once great nation?” When was this nation a great place neway. It was always at war!
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@ S.Rabbi –
contrary to your comment, Islam IS NOT a peaceful religion. People who say that are either muslims, or have either never seen the koran, hadiths (biography of their prophet mohamed), or sunna (orders/ saying of mohamed).
The koran directly orders muslims to “kill the unbeliever wherever you find them” etc (dozens of similar verses).
Regarding immigration- mohameds also emigrated (hijra) to medina to takeover the cities, so in this regard he says in hadiths/sunna “when you goto foreign lands, ensure thet know NOT your intentions, rather, to their face, show favour, so you can maximally benefit from them”.
More IMPORTANTLY, Muslims can LIE for spreading islam (called al-TAQQUIA), so they can say islam is peaceful, but in their hearts “keep hatred for the unvelievers” (as it says in the koran).
– If you have not critically read koran, hadtiths, sunna- please dont say islam is peaceful….
The ultimate aim for EVERY muslim is a global islamic state (Khalifah), and we can see theyre doing this by the population explosion such as in Netherlands, & its happeneing in the uk also.
We can be thankful there are nuslims that dont adhere to islam, these are the moderates, otherwise, pure islam is a quest to administer Sharia law throughout the world (uk had already permitted this in some courts in the uk; they have already infiltrated LAbour party- this is called STEALTH JIHAD).
There is NO country which has not suffered from islamic terror attacks- Religion of peace? Wake up UK !!
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