Far right political groups in the UK (throughout Europe) are concerned at what they see as the spread of the Islam/Muslim faith, the so called Islamification of Britain/Europe/America et al. The concern is the Islam/Muslim faith will replace the current main faiths (Christian, Catholic etc…) and way of life and even laws in those countries. […]
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This is absolutely ridiculous.. The Islamic Culture have not done anything wrong to be judged soo easily..
Muslims have the right to be in this country just as much as other people.
They aren’t actually harming others – There may be minority that are doing wrong, but there the ones that don’t understand what they are preaching..
It’s not fair to judge one religion, when there’s other religions that exist in this country aswell..
It’s just pure & simple ignorance..
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And what happens when Christianity is outlawed for the sake of the minority that have now become the majority in the UK – take a step back and read again just what you have typed. When have muslims stood with Christians for the sake of peace? Have they ever raised their voice against or condemed the mindless bombings in the name of religion. Yes there are other religions in our CHRISTIAN country but they appear to be able to live side by side without make any demands. Where will the UK with regard to religion be in 10 years time – I hate to think.
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Havent done anything wrong? what about the Twin towers? What about the bombings in London? What about the attempted bombings of aircraft? What about the terrorist attacks generally? Terroisim aside have you seen the channel 4 programme Secret Mosques? Please please watch it and here how muslims who may be dentists are encouraged to deliberatly hurt gay men who may fall prey to them or how the none believers should be treated and the subject of womens rights then tell me they havent done anything wrong…I want to feel safe in my country but don’t feel so in a nation that seems content to meet all of this with a “well you must understand why their doing this!” approach…actually I don’t understand why they are doing this and don’t want to! The great problem has been that to many have been to silent for to long and so the problem has got to the point where reality is being denied….as I say if nothing else watch the channel 4 documentary “Secret mosques”..look on You Tube….if of course the Government hasn’t had it deleted!
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I would dearly love to know by what RIGHT you have to be living in the UK. I could understand you living in the UK for a specified period of time to work and then returning home when you have finished your contract. So tell me please, why do you have a RIGHT to live in the UK and those who come from the UK have NO right to decide who stays and who leaves? As to religion, Christianity is not exactly welcome in arab countries. Has anyone seen any christian churches there? I very much doubt it.
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Other religions though are not IN OUR FACE! And those of different religions – ISLAM is an exception. Do you hear much about BUDDHISM, JUDAISM – no because they pray or whatever peacefully and do not ram it down other people’s throats nor do they try to change our way of life. By the way, Jewish people have been in the UK since the 16th Century and the Jewish population is SMALL – only about 300,000 and do not display or promote their religion. That is why so many people have a problem with ISLAM – it is in your face and they try to create unrest and breed like rabbits!
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Why do “Muslims” have a right to be in this country?
And why does a “religous sect” try define itself as a Nation and impose itself onto others (The spread of Islam)??
People of all Different Nationalities around the world are happy to be identified by their National Status, it is what defines them…Indians, Arabs, Africans (Various), Americans, British (Various, Scots Welsh, English, Irish etc), and the list goes on and on.
Yet this “Islam” thing is the cause of most concern everywhere where free thinking individuals live. Why, because it is Antiquated, Authoritarian, and contradictory to almost all Human rights and freedoms, Yet the voice of Islam will try to use those very rights and freedoms to Denounce the fabric of civilised society that begot them in the first place.
Something fundamentally wrong with that whole picture…isn’t there?
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Religion is one of the major factors between warring parties. The more religions that are present in one small country the more we are opening ourselves up to a civil war. Especiailly when Muslims see operations in Afghanistan as an attack on their religion or ‘Muslim brothers’.
Great Britain is a Christain country, and all though many people will say they are not religious they would’ve been raised by beliefs and values set out in the Bible. The more powerful Islam becomes in this country the worse it will be for everyone. I don’t believe that Islam should be eradicated, but an awareness of the consequences of our open ports should be raised. We are creating a storm in our homeland. Look at the clash of Religion in the middle east. Is that the future?
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If you people read what is happening instead of being ignorant then u will see for yourself.. i blatently said, ‘There may be minority that are doing wrong, but there the ones that don’t understand what they are preaching..’
I just don’t understand what u mean when u say we have no RIGHT in being here..
There are Muslims in this country, who were actually BORN in this country.. So where is it u want these people to go??? oh n for your info, there are actually churches in Muslim Countries.. We don’t have anything against other religions, so others should have something against Muslims..
Islam is the fastest growing religion.. Yeah maybe there are some muslims who are doing wrong.. But u cnt judge one for all..
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Perhaps it’s because you would like to see our Christian country as a muslim country – muslims are certainly doing very well out of our hospitality & tolerance. As you say ‘Islam is growing fast’ and why is that, because you have been allowed to – and yes, some were been born here but when & where have they collectively come out against the acts of terror against innocent people. Muslims want their cake, eat and plate too. Again we have been very tolerant towards Muslims who are treating Christians as 2nd class citizens & appear to use every racists/human rights as their stick to beat us with including those that were born/educated and financed by the majority.
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How are we seeing it as a Muslim country?.. i don’t see how this is a christian country when there’s other races and religions in this country.. So y don’t people make a big deal out of all the rest!! How can Islam/Muslim be such a threat to people apart from the Terrorism Act which is done by the stupidity of people who have gone against there faith!!
I said ‘Islam is the fastest growing religion’ and i said it with reason.. Why?? Wel because so many are looking in to the religion, and decided to convert.. They must be converting for a reason, and these are the people of Britain..
2nd class citizens?? What are u on?? u have no idea what ur goin on about????
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Aliyah, You show your own ignorance. Britain is a CHRISTIAN country and the reason it is a CHRISTIAN country is that our laws are based on our Christian religion. Our Queen is a christian and currently can have no other faith – christianity is the cornerstone of this country. Other religions? Yes, that is becoming a problem for us but none so much as the ISLAMIC religion which Britons detest because of its desire to spread, changing some of our laws to suit themselves – in short, it is a disgrace. Muslims (and I speak generally here) are biting the hand that has fed them. We have a right to defend ourselves and our country. The fact that our soldiers came back from Afghanistan and were jeered by Muslims cannot make us think you are kind and generous.
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Itz ntt ignorance.. Itz da truth!!
Oh wateva gurl.. Say wtteva u gta say 2make urslf feel betta, cz at da end of the day.. Itz Ur Opinion, and that’s all it’s gna be….
Nufnkz gna change ova a petty litle comment on a poll to get rid of Muslims!!
And the colour of the cloth shines through
Religion doesn’t matter!
It makes me laugh, we hear thousands of people ranting on about how Islam threatens our “Christian way of life”. How many of those people have been to church in the last year?
We in Britain are a secular society in the main now, most people only mention Christianity when they’re criticising another racial group, it’s pathetic.
All religion is divisive by it’s nature, it makes people believe they are right and everyone else is wrong, and as such is the biggest cause of conflict war, and death the world has ever seen.
If believing something helps people get through life peacefully then OK, but religious extremism and fundamentalism from any faith group is unacceptable in a civilised society, and militant relgious extremists should be jailed if they are from this country, or expelled if they are not, regardless of whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Scientologist!
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“where have they collectively come out against the acts of terror against innocent people”
Some British Muslims do openly come out against acts of terrorism. As you’ll see below, 500 British Muslim scholars, clerics, and imams signed a Fatwa against terrorism.
Lets not forget only about 3% of this country are Muslim, which means if roughly the same amount of Muslims are against terrorism in the name of Islam as the rest of Britain (the 97% majority) we’d expect to see 3 Muslims on the street against terrorist atrocities for every 97 non-Muslims.
What percentage of non-Muslims are bothered enough by what’s happening in the world to have their voice heard?
For every 33 of them we’d expect to see 1 British Muslim because they are the minority in this country (33:1 minority). So to match the 500 British Muslims that signed the Fatwa you’d need over 16,000 non Muslims to do the same to match that number relatively speaking.
Simple Google search for Muslims Against Terrorism
http://www.freemuslims.org/ Muslims against terrorism and extremism | Free Muslims Coalition
http://www.m-a-t.org/ Muslims Against Terrorism (MAT)
Muslims against Terrorism
British Muslim specific information within:
Abdal-Hakim Murad, British Muslim author:
“Targeting civilians is a negation of every possible school of Sunni Islam. Suicide bombing is so foreign to the Quranic ethos that the Prophet Samson is entirely absent from our scriptures.”
“The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists,”
Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens), prominent British Muslim:
“I wish to express my heartfelt horror at the indiscriminate terrorist attacks committed against innocent people of the United States yesterday. While it is still not clear who carried out the attack, it must be stated that no right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: the Qur’an equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity. We pray for the families of all those who lost their lives in this unthinkable act of violence as well as all those injured; I hope to reflect the feelings of all Muslims and people around the world whose sympathies go out to the victims at this sorrowful moment.”
[On singing an a cappella version of “Peace Train” for the Concert for New York City:] “After the tragedy, my heart was heavy with sadness and shock, and I was determined to help in some way. Organizers asked me to take part in a message for tolerance and sing ‘Peace Train.’ Of course, I agreed. … As a Muslim from the West, it is important to me to let people know that these acts of mass murder have nothing to do with Islam and the beliefs of Muslims.”
Ziauddin Sardar, British Muslim author:
“The failure of Islamic movements is their inability to come to terms with modernity, to give modernity a sustainable home-grown expression. Instead of engaging with the abundant problems that bedevil Muslim lives, the Islamic prescription consists of blind following of narrow pieties and slavish submission to inept obscurantists. Instead of engagement with the wider world, they have made Islam into an ethic of separation, separate under-development, and negation of the rest of the world.”
Fatwa signed by more than 500 British Muslim scholars, clerics, and imams:
“Islam strictly, strongly and severely condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives. There is neither place nor justification in Islam for extremism, fanaticism or terrorism. Suicide bombings, which killed and injured innocent people in London, are HARAAM – vehemently prohibited in Islam, and those who committed these barbaric acts in London [on July 7, 2005] are criminals not martyrs. Such acts, as perpetrated in London, are crimes against all of humanity and contrary to the teachings of Islam. … The Holy Quran declares: ‘Whoever kills a human being… then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.’ (Quran, Surah al-Maidah (5), verse 32) Islam’s position is clear and unequivocal: Murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.”
To match my examples above you’d have to show me 500×33 or over 16,000 similar statements from British people who are not Muslim because Muslims are the MINORITY in Britain.
The problem is the British media, instead of showing moderate British Muslims like the ones listed above the British media put extremists on like Anjem Choudary because it increases ratings, but numpties like Anjem Choudary do not represent the Muslim majority living peacefully in Britain today.
The media do this with all issues, you don’t get good news via the media as it doesn’t sell. So why do you think it’s any different with terrorism?
When the British government banned Anjem Choudary’s ISLAM4UK organisation where was the public out cry from all the extremist Muslims?
That’s right, there wasn’t one, telling us British Muslims were glad to see that organisation banned because he’s a lone extremist voice in amongst the majority of moderate Muslims!
David
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Only because it’s a threat to their own conributions to the advancement of Islam in the UK
You do not know what will happen in the future and that is the problem. Fact is with Shariah law already in place, it is only a small step away from changing our judicial system. Example: we could still retain most of our trial by jury etc., but as the country becomes more radicalised sentencing would be changed. No more 1 year, 2 year, 20 year sentences. Hanging in a different form ‘could’ return but, this time, it would be a case of chopping off someone’s head. I am not racist – I have been married to a jewish man and my sister-in-law is a Christian Anglo-Indian but for the sake of the future of us all, I can see that the islamisation of the UK is a real threat and one not to be ignored. Did you know that certain Arabic countries (check on google) were originally Christian countries and not Muslim – that is very worrying and they have absolutely no tolerance at all. I wish it was not the case but it is there and we should speak our minds about our fears regarding it.
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“Fact is with Shariah law already in place, it is only a small step away from changing our judicial system.”
Shariah law is not already in place in Britain, since Shariah law is not part of British law. A very small number of people use unofficial Sharia courts (which have no standing in British law) to arbitrate some matters.
Sharia law does not supersede British law, it would take MANY acts of parliament to make that sort of change.
You might not like Shariah law (I don’t), but it is not part of the British judiciary and never will be and so nothing to worry about. It’s just another BNP scare tactic to create religious hatred as racial hatred no long works in our multicultural society.
You said “it is only a small step away from changing our judicial system.”
ONE SMALL STEP, that’s a BIG statement, please explain what that one small step would be?
Which Universities are training Sharia law lawyers for when Sharia law takes over?
David
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You are playing with words! Shariah Courts may not be part of the whole judiciary in the UK but it is now beginning to play a part. You say it would take MANY changes in the law for it to become part of our judicial system. Do you recall, how quickly various Bills were passed in Parliament without anyone knowing about them. It might take many, but many does not equal, necessarily a very long time. We have a perfectly good judicial system in the UK and it is high time that those who decide to live here abide by our laws and not bring over their own. If they do not like our laws then the best thing is for them to return to their country of origin and sort out their legal matters there. There are always excuses for Muslims to have Shariah Courts here and none of them are legitimate. If you or I go to an Arab country can we take our English judicial system with us too! We cannot live by one law for some people and another law for another – it just will not work and is intolerably and NOT intolerant!
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Allow me to repeat the question you ignored:
You said “it is only a small step away from changing our judicial system.”
ONE SMALL STEP, that’s a BIG statement, please explain what that one small step would be?
Back up your one step away statement. What is the one step?
David
Again, you are playing with words and the way you are writing/speaking is unpleasant. So what “one small step”. This is not a BIG statement – I have made myself very clear enough already and I stand by what I have said. The British Judicial system is accepted by lots of those who have migrated to the UK. Muslims should accept our judicial system since it IS a CHRISTIAN country and our judicial system is based on the CHRISTIAN religion. Don’t question me again because it is a ridiculous question.
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“Don’t question me again because it is a ridiculous question.”
I’ll question anyone I like on this website since I own it, don’t like it, don’t contribute.
What you’ve told anyone reading this is you can’t answer the questions :-)
“and the way you are writing/speaking is unpleasant.”
And that’s what I’m aiming for, to make you feel as uncomfortable as people like you make hard working British Muslims feel all because they are Muslim! What you are doing is wrong and rooted in religious hatred.
I’m an atheist (came from a family that was loosely Christian, but not very religious) and something I know about the vast majority of religions is their roots are in a combination of hatred, control of the masses and conquest to “spread the word”.
I don’t care what religion you or anyone else believes in as long as they don’t force their religious beliefs on anyone. Currently as an atheist British law protects me from religious persecution, same as it protects Muslims and Christians, but that doesn’t stop people like you trying to stir up religious hatred because you feel threatened by something you don’t understand and probably don’t want to understand.
Christianity is no different to Islam when it comes to how it’s been spread through history. Need I remind you of the Holy Wars associated with the Crusades. That was Christians forcing their religion on various Muslim nations.
Fortunately religion is dying in our part of the world with atheism set to be the dominant ‘belief system’ in Britain, maybe by the next census in 2011 making all religions a minority belief in Britain.
Do you see me being an atheist a threat to your religion or the British way of life?
People like me are much more of a threat to Christianity in Britain than Islam will ever be. When over 50% of British people aren’t Christian do you really think 30-50 years from now our children’s children will see this country as Christian and care about the Christian faith beyond what’s become British traditions like celebrating Christmas? All three of my kids have the option to follow a religion if they want to, so far they are atheists as a choice rather than the usual slipping of religion from our society over time as Christians don’t really follow their faith.
David
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Thank you David.. Atleast Someone understandz what’s going on around them.. In stead of hiding behind ignorance..
I keep saying not ALL Muslims r the same, so you can’t JUDGE one for ALL.. Itz just not fair!!
Islam is a religion of peace, but it’s kinda hard to live in peace when there so many biased arguments put there.. Wars happen because they are made to happen.. The reasons Muslims are going to war is because their countries are being invaded, so they obviously got to fight their battle.. Oh n for your info people.. Arabs are not the only Muslims that exist.. There is othr backgrounds, including whites..
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If as you say Islam is a religio of peace why are Islamic countries the ones who are at war – Afganistan Iran in Israel etc who are the ones threatening to Nuke others and destroy the smallest Nation in the world Israel? Did you hear the news last week 13 year old died after internal bleeding because she had been married to a Muslim, how many murders do hear that have been committed by family members becuase their own children have converted FROM Islam? Who did 911 who threatens those who oppose their religion with death and murder people just because of a cartoon – Peace Huh
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Why are British going to war apart from fighting for their country??? Can you people please whtz been said, befores you throw your comments around.. I said, ‘The reasons Muslims are going to war is because their countries are being invaded, so they obviously got to fight their battle..’ Jus like the British are..
And again i say ‘U cant judge a minority of Muslims, for the majority’ da murders that go on in Muslims households are just the same stories in how british people are murdering others, or is it because you want to ignore that fact and carry on calling Muslims murderers??
Da news is full of stories on how people are geeting killed, but alot of these people are British/Christians..
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Even if it is a Christian Country.. How many people out there are Christian followers..
If it’s such a Christian Country, then why were Muslims Allowed here in the first place..
It’s jus biased arguments, which isn’t going to get u far..
You don’t even know the full facts before judging.. Ur only saying and exressing ur views based on what u have heard and seen on the media..
I am part of the young generation, n If arguing with people on some poll to fight for my faith, then ill do it..
WE ARE NOT DOING NO HARM BY LIVING IN BRITAIN, WE HAVE MUCH RIGHT AS YOU DO..
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“How many people out there are Christian followers..”
At the last census in 2001, ~70% of British people said they are Christians, but in more recent polls the numbers dropped significantly. Religion in Britain is becoming the minority with 45% being atheists.
Religions in United Kingdom, 2001
Religion/Denomination: Current religion : Percent %
Christian 42,079,000 71.6
No religion 9,104,000 15.5
Muslim 1,591,000 2.7
Hindu 559,000 1.0
Sikh 336,000 0.6
Jewish 267,000 0.5
Buddhist 152,000 0.3
Other Religion 179,000 0.3
All religions 45,163,000 76.8
Not Answered 4,289,000 7.3
No religion + Not Answered 13,626,000 23.2
Base 58,789,000 100
That’s 2001.
In 2007 a BSA Survey gave the following figures.
Denominations in Great Britain
Religion/Denomination : Percent %
No religion 45.7
Church of England 20.9
Roman Catholic 9.0
Presbyterian/Church of Scotland 2.8
Methodist 1.9
Other Protestant 2.7
Christian (no denomination) 10.3
Other Christian 0.4
Muslim 3.3
Hindu 1.4
Jewish 0.4
Sikh 0.4
Other Religion 0.4
Refused / NA 0.5
Interesting take on this:
“British Social Attitudes Surveys have shown the proportion of those in Great Britain who consider they “belong to” Christianity to have fallen from 66% in 1983 to 48% in 2006.
The disparity between the 2001 census data and the above polls has been put down to both the decline in religious adherence in the UK since 2001 and a phenomenon of cultural religiosity, whereby many who do not believe in gods still identify with a religion because of its role in their upbringing or its importance to their family.[76]”
Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom
We get new census data in 2011, will be interesting to see if atheism hits 50% or if the polls are wrong (you can’t treat poll data as fact, so could be WAY off).
David
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and there we have it….
I too look forward to a Europe free of Islam and Islamic influences. As someone commented above, it is a cancer eating away at the heart of our values and way of life. If you look at most wars and conflicts now happening around the world nearly all have Muslims involved somewhere. Lets stop it before that too becomes a way of life here.
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Just for your information, I wandered into a cornershop in North London last year and a rather fat man (he looked like an Arab) was talking to someone else about the English and laughingly said that we would become, in a very short space of time, an islamic state. If (and it is) that is their general mentality then, yes, we should be very concerned indeed. I still can recall in the 1970’s the then government at that time pre-Thatcher saying that we needed to keep our families small because there was a danger of overpopulation. It was said that we should keep to 1.2 children per family. Years down the line, the government have been saying that our young population has decreased and we need immigrants to fill the gap. If that is not deceit I do not know what is. There is obviously an agenda which the British people are not privy to!
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Pretty much every few days someone on my website says the BNP are going to win the general election on May 6th.
So we have some fat bloke in a shop saying Islam will be the dominant religion in Britain and on my website a bunch of BNP supporters saying the BNP are going to be in government this time next month. And if you walk in any pub and wait long enough you’ll find people who believe not only aliens exist, but they are visiting our planet and have a bit of a probe fetish.
You know what they all have in common?
DELLUDED.
There’s a popular David Icke forum where a lot of people believe there are alien lizards amongst us and they control government. https://forum.davidicke.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18
Must be true if SOMEONE believes it!!! OH my, where’s Captain Kirk when we need him!
Have to admit enjoyed watching the new V on the SyFy channel the other night.
David
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For many Muslims, Islam is a ‘peace loving religion’. However, it cannot be disputed that certain factions, supported by religious leaders are geared towards the Islamification of Western society and introduction of Sharia Law. These aren’t just fundamentalists these are well organised groups, such as the IEF who have already infiltrated British Politics to erode the democratic process from the inside.
It is difficult to choose which party to vote for when any one of them could have an IEF member replace the leader as Gordon Brown did.
Where would our Armed Forces be if loyalty was with Islam?
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