A significant number of NHS nurses and other NHS health workers were not born in the UK, many are EU migrants for example. I couldn’t find an accurate statistic, but I’m sure it’s a significant number based on various news articles and reports available on the Internet. What happens if we halt immigration today as […]
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I just have to ask one question, David: Do you really like the idea of Britain’s population reaching 70 million?
Pollution, energy, roads, environment, houses – – I could go on.
I cannot understand how any SANE person could vote this comment down.
But they will!!!!!!!!
UKIP are proposing a 5 year moratorium on immigration, not a permanent freeze and then their policy includes:
“The party says work permits should continue to be issued to companies requiring employees to work in the UK throughout this moratorium period”.
“Work permits will only be granted to workers who have a job and accommodation waiting for them, and who can financially support themselves or who will be accommodated or financially supported by their employer. This ‘No Home, No Visa’ policy will reduce the pressure on UK housing in short supply, and free up housing waiting lists for British citizens”
“After the moratorium, the policy paper says, future immigration would then be on a strictly controlled basis using a points system.”
This policy makes sense and allows for skills shortages to be addressed.
The UKIP education policy:
“We believe that those who really should be at university should be supported financially by the state according to their need through to the completion of their bachelor’s degree.”
“The UK Independence Party intends to restore student grants.”
This should help Britain able to fulfil their needs in addressing it’s own skill shortage.
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UKIP’s moratorium on immigration policy is better than BNP’s halt on immigration policy. UKIP’s immigration policy is temporary, BNP’s immigration policy is permanent (BNP’s policy is not very good, so lets ignore it as a serious option).
The UKIP moratorium on immigration policy I can to some degree see some justification for, but 5 years is a long time, I could understand a year or two to get their policies into place. What’s the justification for the 5 year period, isn’t immigration a biggie for UKIP, implication being HIGH priority? Lets imagine UKIP won the next general election, why would it take an entire term in government to sort out immigration?
Immigration is not exactly rocket science, the UK needs permanent highly skilled workers (no one can seriously disagree with this) and right now we as a country are not supplying them, despite the current government pledge to have 50% of young people in education/training. IMO an admirable, but unrealistic goal considering the attitude of many of our young people, but still.
Conversely we don’t need more poorly trained workers entering the UK, there is no good reason for shipping in manual workers when we have millions unemployed!
Why are the long term unemployed not taking on those types of jobs?
There is no valid reason for the unemployed not to take a low paid job, I understand the benefits system enough to know even if an unemployed person took on a job below the UK’s minimum wage (speaking hypothetically) the benefits system will top up their earnings: working tax credits, child tax credits, housing and council tax benefits…
This results in the perception of the long term unemployed being work shy! Are they, I don’t know?
I appreciate EU rules makes it easier than it used to be for untrained workers to enter the UK to work as manual labor, but why are so many British born people not working when low paid jobs requiring little skill are available?
The only time I’ve not worked was when I physically couldn’t (or I was in full time education), I had to leave University in my final year because of health problems, after a couple of years of waiting for the ‘miracle cure’ I realised I was not going to finish my degree and follow my career of choice (research scientist).
I was incapable of working in a 9-5 capacity for an employer (no way I could work for someone, literally couldn’t sit in a chair or stand any period of time), so I started my own business and have never looked back. Appreciate that’s not for everyone, but I could have quite easily sat back on the equivalent of incapacity benefits and lived just as well for the first 2 years in business (my business really picked up after a couple of years). I used our benefits system to get me through the early stages of starting a business, now my business is doing well and I contribute back to society: most of my earnings come from the US, so I contribute quite a bit to the UK’s economy relatively speaking.
When our eldest son (home educated since birth) hit 16 years of age he planned to take two years off (to play computer games mostly!!) then study with the OU to get a degree! He had no intentions of getting a job (expected me to pay his way!) and had the opinion working in a place like McDonalds was beneath him (I was shocked at his attitude to low paid menial work to make ends meet)!
The excuses that boy made for not getting job, we live in a sea side town and he had the cheek to say there was no jobs for under 18 year olds, he actually believed only a handful of 16-18 years olds worked in our area (did the research it was around 10,000)!
Had we left him to his own devices, God knows what he’d be doing now (probably playing games online all day and if you fall into that sort of pattern, not easy to get out!). Two years on he’s studied early with the OU (supposed to only study with the OU when 18+ yrs old), worked in Argos part time for about 18 months and used his OU credits to get into University to study a computer sciences degree. Just got his first job since going to University working part-time in a bar (minimum wage) to help pay his way through University: even though we could pay his way through University, I think it’s more important he takes on the responsibility himself, so we aren’t paying a penny towards his further education.
It’s a concern many of our young people have the same attitude to work as my son had, I’m sure it’s a contributing factor to low paid work going to poorly trained foreign workers, many of our young adults don’t want to work!
David
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David,
I merely posted the policies on each, anyone can interpret how it would work or not work.
I agree 5 years is a long time, however, at the present time the UK needs a complete facelift and change of direction which isn’t going to happen overnight whoever gets in. Current population levels are not sustainable and current unemployment levels are not sustainable.
It’s very difficult to eject illegal immigrants who have legal aid at their disposal and generally use the Human Rights Act to appeal their ejection. Criminal or Not.
In order to be able to eject those, there first needs to be the removal of the recourse of the HRA from the EU – this will take some time. A moratorium needs to be in place to stop a surge in applications of residence during the time it takes in removing the use of the RHA to appeal.
In withdrawing the UK from the EU no one is sure what will replace it. The EEC was acceptable to Britain, however will be it acceptable to Europe for the UK to return to trading partners only?
Labour has actively encouraged people to make the dole a serious life choice. You get money to have children regardless of how many, you get your mortgage interest paid or housing benefit and you get money to live on and you are even given a home if you want one. You can stay on it as long as you want, particularly if you are a single mother and are able to churn out another baby every 7 years.
There needs to be some serious sanctions against those people who do claim benefits long term without looking for work or intending to ever look for work. If their “Workfare” (both BNP and UKIP Policy) program is in place, then those capable of work shouldn’t have any other choice than to take the jobs on offer or better themselves to get higher paid skilled employment.
Some sanctions were introduced where people are deducted in their benefits if they refuse to take a job or actively job hunt. If this is not working then obviously benefit payments are too much if they can afford to take the hit.
I think also that there does need to be an emphasis on training, apprenticeships (which are virtually non-existent now) and affordable further education in achieving these goals.
Debts of £30k for graduates just doesn’t make it seem realistic for many to pursue their chosen careers whether they want to be Doctors, Nurses or Teachers; pay for Nurses and Teachers in particular doesn’t make University value for money unless they then take their qualifications overseas.
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“In withdrawing the UK from the EU no one is sure what will replace it. The EEC was acceptable to Britain, however will be it acceptable to Europe for the UK to return to trading partners only?”
Two points,
One, we used to trade with the commonwealth countries, rather more than with Europe, before we joined the EU.
Two, if we produce products that the EU needs, at the right price, they will buy. Money would still matter.
The Human Rights legislation would not be a problem under BNP, and it doesn’t seem to be much use anyway. It is always used to help the wrong people,
and governments can easily circumvent it if they feel the need. (rendition – torture is an example of human rights legislation at work! Spying on private citizens is another)
Vote BNP.
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Economic suicide is already occurring with the UK Government currently funding Asylum Seekers thousands of pounds in benefits to live in Mansions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3167389/Council-workers-sacked-over-giving-mother-170000-a-year-in-benefits.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
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The BNP’s policy is to:
– Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;
– Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;
– Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;
– Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;
– Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;
– Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.
https://bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration/
I suppose you could argue that in doing all the above then we wouldn’t need quite so many people of the skill shortages in the first place perhaps?
The UK can deport criminals without spending millions in legal fees on appeals to stay (and benefits) and being over-ruled by the Human Rights Act.
It can also be argued that immigration has put enormous pressure on the infrastructure services in terms of schools and healthcare thereby creating a shortage of nurses, doctors and teachers.
In terms of Education in addressing potential skill shortages:
– The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake “social sciences”);
https://bnp.org.uk/policies/education/
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Sarah, you are fast becoming my hero. You should stand as a BNP candidate. I’d vote for you!
love ‘n light
john hurren
You wouldn’t want me to! I personally live in an Islamic country and can see the positive benefits of an Islamic and a capitalist country; that said, I don’t want the UK to become Islamic but I would personally clamp down on a lot of immoral behaviour!
If it was me in charge, it would be my way or no way!
No benefits for the able-bodied
No child benefit
No children born out of wedlock
Licenses to have children (age, IQ and financial ability, marriage)
No free healthcare
No free schooling
Corporal punishment
National Service if unemployed
I would be very militant and it would never work!
But I appreciate the thought!
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If we are truly reliant on immigration for anything, then we are finished as a Nation.
If we depend on importing people from a foreign land, with a foreign culture, and a foreign religion, then Britain has become like a sick old lady living in a nursing home, who cannot survive without the help of others.
We should reject the dismal future proposed by the Tory and Labour, pull ourselves together and become a proud nation once more.
Vote BNP.
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I agree, the open border policies / cultural experiment of the last few years for ELECTORAL GAINS made me so angry that initially I thought, right that’s it, I’m voting BNP at the earliest opportunity.
I understand why the BNP are gathering so much support and agree in part with some of their policies (I was quite horrified to find that their manifesto reflected a lot of my issues they are just not a party I would ever have considered).
The problem is that they are just not sophisticated enough to gather enough support intelligently to make a really big difference, through the language and terminology they use and the candidates that they are fielding.
I have always been a Tory supporter but I am voting UKIP in the future. A lot of Tory supporters are floating towards the UKIP now because of the EU issue. We will never get a handle on immigration until we have a party prepared to withdraw from the EU.
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Sarah,
There are rather a lot of highly intelligent people in the leadership of the BNP.
They will do more for Britain than UKIP.
But it is a free country, so you must vote for who you feel is best.
I am voting BNP, along with many of my Christian brothers & sisters.
This particular poll does not represent the true situation in the country. There are many who do not relish the idea of Islam, but who will not use the opinion polls, they are keeping their opinions to themselves until the election. The only poll that counts is the election..
Expect a few surprises.
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Rosie,
I’m sure that some of their candidates are honourable people who do have Britain’s best interests at heart.
I do think they have a long way to go yet before they will truly convince a much larger audience of how they would intend to and effectively carry out their policies and convince those who deem them Racist that they have are moving on to a more moderate stance.
My impression on reading their manifesto was that they are trying to appeal to people’s fears and anger of the last 12 years which is a good thing, they’re listening but I didn’t feel that the way in which is they are written that they themselves are convinced as to how they would carry them through.
I am expecting a few surprises at the next Election, I think there will be stronger support for both BNP and UKIP and hopefully with enough spread there may well be a hung parliament, the best we can hope for at the minute.
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My sister is the same as you. So, I will answer you in the same way.
Why vote for a single issue party? What happens after that issue is dealt with?
Please, for England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales;
VOTE British National Party.
love ‘n light
John Hurren
I don’t believe that UKIP is a single issue party. I believe that UKIP is a more purer conservative party than the Conservative Party.
I did post a while ago a list of policies which I believed to make sense and were in fact common sense.
We ditched the UK in 2005 and the next Government term will be the decider for us as to whether we will ever return to the UK or start the citizenship process elsewhere.
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David, I am afraid you are totally wrong about immigration, we ARE flloded with them, it needs to stop NOW. if you cannot see the problems it must be because you are in “sunny skeggy”. Visit some of our major towns & cities and see the third world ghettos they have become!!
The student & asylum seeker scams are costing us Millions, I assume you are a tax payer, do you honestly want to give a large percentage of yours to these people when it is claimed by age concern that 40% more elderly British people will die of cold related illnesses because they cannot afford to pay the heating bills?
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME!!
Your claims that our health service would founder without immigrants, its a 2 edged sword, we wouldnt need as many workers without the huge numbers of immigrants that come into them for FREE TREATMENT at our expense.
If our education system was not so politicised & failing poor white children in the poore areas of our land, they could be trained to take over these jobs!
Billions of pounds have been wasted by the current Govt on payments to EU, illegal wars, overseas aid to corrupt third world governments & bailing out their fat cat banking friends, plus of course god knows how much on feathering their own nests!
This is what the average Briton is fed up with, being ignored or treated as a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN in his own country and this is why they are looking to the BNP to address their worries!
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Lincolnshire where we live has a lot of immigrants, especially Polish.
Since moving to our latest home (3 years ago) I’ve had some dental treatment and have seen:
One black dentist (not sure where from) : a very good dentist.
One Spanish dentist : he was an absolute fecking idiot, X-ray of the wrong teeth!
One Polish dentist : nice bloke, quite a good dentist.
One Portuguese dentist : really good dentist.
All the above on the NHS BTW.
When we lived in Grimsby we couldn’t find an NHS dental practice and saw two private dentists, same practice, one English one Scottish.
First one (Scottish) was so bad one of our kids lost his two front teeth, he was apparently having a nervous breakdown while treating patients, I had a filing so high I could barely eat!
Second one picked up the pieces from the first, not a great dentist either and we had to pay for those two dentists!
I’m more interested in quality of worker than I am where they come from. People are people, if they come to the UK with skills in short supply and don’t have plans to blow up the houses of parliament (OK bad example, might let that one go if it was blown up :-)) I have no major issues with them.
Yes, I have concerns about our way of life being changed, but I also see those who entered the UK 30, 40+ years ago are no less British than I am. As long as we don’t see 30 million immigrants entering the UK over a short period of time (that would be a problem) I see them adapting more to our way of life than the other way around.
All cultures have both good and bad aspects about them, we should embrace the good and make it our own and reject the bad.
David
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David,
The immigrants who arrived 30 to 40 years ago stuck together and worked hard, really hard, for a new life in the UK.
If a country was to announce that they will give me a substantial amount of money on arrival, somewhere nice to live, educate my children for free, look after my health for free and provide extra money to supplement my income I would probably be at their Passport Control within a few hours.
You can’t blame those people coming from developing countries coming to the UK because they know what the perks are, you don’t get free education in most non-western countries, free healthcare is pretty much unheard of anywhere else!
You can blame the Government for being free and easy with tax-payers money, giving away the already limited social housing, allowing criminals to continue their practices and putting the needs of those not willing to work hard above others.
The laws need to be changed to stop the abuses of the system.
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And the extension of your point is the immigrants entering the UK today will tend to become British in the future and not as the BNP say some kind of Muslim colonisation of the UK where our beliefs, laws and traditions will be completely replaced.
As long as the majority of people in Britain are British (their skin colour/religion is irrelevant) we won’t have a problem with foreigners trying to ‘take over’ as the BNP suggest.
If 20-30 million people from say Saudi Arabi type countries came to the UK over a period of a few years, yes we’d have a big problem, but that’s not what’s happening. It’s a small minority with extremist views that are an issue, not all immigrants, most come to the UK for a better way of life, not to turn the UK into the country they came from!
You might not agree with letting immigrants into the UK, there’s an argument our resources should go to British born people who have (or their parents have) paid into the system before new arrivals. I agree with your point “The laws need to be changed to stop the abuses of the system” , but by the same token if a Doctor or a scientist or a fully trained electrician wants to live and work in the UK AND there’s a shortage of trained workers in that profession, we’d be mad to turn them away, they add to our society.
I’d rather have 1 hard working Muslim doctor/scientist/electrician who follows our laws, pays taxes and contributes to society than a hundred lazy British born people who can’t be bothered to get a decent education or job! And no I’m not saying ALL British born people are lazy, but IMO they (the lazy ones, a minority) are a bigger issue than a minority of foreigners entering this country with extremist views and agendas.
David
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Most immigrants have become British historically and I don’t think many people have an issue with those who did work hard and provided for themselves and gave back to the UK.
The problem now is that there are the beginnings of a Muslim colonisation and it’s feeding the fears of a lot of people who see women walking around covered from head to foot, mosques springing up and new laws telling people it’s even a crime to call someone an immigrant! Islam is the fastest growing religion through birth-rate and conversion.
Muslims are Muslim before they are anything else and their loyalties are to other Muslims first and foremost regardless of where they are from. To a number of people the minorities who are extreme in their actions or views are vocal in their demands for more Islamic principles becoming enshrined in law and they get the natural sympathy and support from other Muslims because they have a religious duty to support each other. The UK Government being the morons they are just bend over to accommodate because we’re British and that’s what we do.
We should fear the minority with the very extremist views as they are the ones who are responsible for such events as 7/7 bombings and are continually plot further attacks and preaching separation and hate in our Mosques.
Over the next few DECADES as birth-rate, religious conversion and immigration continue, the natural demographic will change and it is fairly inevitable that eventually the UK will become majority Islamic if there are no world war events. It more than likely won’t even be in my lifetime. This doesn’t mean it will become like Saudi Arabia but it will become morally stricter.
I think the whole immigration process needs to be more selective in who it allows and tighter in control. We let the wrong people into the country, the EU has allowed mass immigration of some high-skilled but majority low-skilled workers, and criminals; the day to day living in the UK has become difficult and led to a “brain drain” with highly-taxed, qualified professional people seeking a better life elsewhere (such as ourselves).
I think immigration is actually a good thing in the right circumstances,I just don’t think open borders with a generous welfare system is a particularly good idea when we have enough of our own people sitting around for nothing. I think a moratorium is a good idea to get rid of those who shouldn’t be in the UK, assess what is needed and put in place a rigid immigration process – the UK just needs to get it’s house in order before it can start inviting people back in.
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None so blind (and stupid, sorry PC brigade) as those who WILL NOT SEE!
Vote BNP or LOOSE
love ‘n light
john hurren
Well said. Totally agree.
Vote BNP – Save our Country.
With you there k,how the hell is immigration good for Great Britain,there are more than 4million people unemployed,with that figure rising to 7-8million with part-timers and job shares.
As for the NHS,the BBC a couple of years ago showed a docu.(pardon the pun) on the struggle British junior Doctors are having,costing the tax-payer £250m to complete training,then not being able to find work because so and so(Blu-Labour) has employed,with glee and hand rubbing exultation,Doctors and Nurses from their ‘job search’ in India,who are prepared to use their whole time working for a far less a wage than OUR trained Doctors and Nurses.What ever happened to looking after the Great British Heritage,’a fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay.With ample holiday in-between as just reward,and a ‘time out’,thoroughly deserved.
Where does today’s madness end?….Just because someone may work all the hours God send’s(or did send,until working on The Sabbath)for pitiful wages.
Why is there a never ending greed,with everything relating to ‘Must Have’money.It’s all crazy and i feel really scared for our young ones.Have to stop,it’s biting at me! (the pillow)
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Well said. But don’t panic, there is a BNP and we care.
love ‘n light
john hurren
A recent news item on the BBC website says this ..
“The middle classes are “insulated” from the effects of immigration and find it hard to understand fears about housing and jobs, John Denham has said.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8389701.stm
I guess this might account for the sharply divided opinions visible on this forum.
Those who are insulated don’t understand the fears of those who are vulnerable, and feel disinclined to offer any sympathy to the vulnerable, usually dismissing their declared fears as Nazi propaganda.
As a consequence, the argument for and against the BNP rages, with neither side showing any comprehension for the other side’s views.
I am sure that many of the vulnerable, and many Christians, who usually remain silent, will be voting for the BNP.
The middle classes, the insulated, will vote as they always do – for more of the same, with complete disregard for the condition of those less fortunate or less able.
Support for the BNP is growing rapidly, because there are far more vulnerable people in this country than there are rich and insulated, and many Christians feel that this country’s moral decline has gone far enough.
Opponents can shout insults at the BNP until they are sick, they can accuse them of all manner of evil intentions, but the fact remains the BNP are the only political party that offers any hope to the huge number of vulnerable, British, people of this country.
Some will say it is a false hope, but hope itself is worth having.
Vote BNP.
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