I’m listening to David Cameron on BBC3 Dermot Meets David Cameron and realised a Conservative ‘untruth’. David Cameron is talking about a Big Society (which is total waffle IMO) and said they want to listen to the people and if they gain power after May 6th they’ll bring in the ability for the British people […]
Continue Reading Election 2010 Conservative Petitions and Banning Fox Hunting
i think you should think about more of the taxs problems in this place than the foxes ,they are important but you need to sort other things out first.
you need to think which is more important right now and if you cant well.. you need too start thinking.
Conservative – Hunting/killing foxes is not a sport it is murder. Sports is where they are equal teams, not 5 dogs on 1 fox….. sooo Wronggggg….
Murder… NOT A SPORT
What i find really irritating is when people from towns etc and those not directly involved get all on their high horse and decide that those hunting aren’t allowed to do so.
If its a class issue, they should realise that most of the people involved are not upper class but working class country people who ride or work with the hounds etc. It also (in the meets) has a social benefit – in the country this is a valued opportunity to meet others from the community. There would be far less of a reason to do so if it was just a ‘hack through the fields’.
Im a farmer’s son and agree hunting isn’t useful for reducing fox numbers – far more are killed by reckless drivers on the roads each year than through hunting.
As has already been said it is also a far quicker death (apart from the chase itself) than what is more than often the replacement – someone who is a bad shot.
Lastly people need to toughen up a bit – they see these pictures of foxes been hunted but i’m sure many of you if you saw how chickens or other farm animals are killed you would turn into a veggie. Death is disturbing but it just happens – life on a farm and in much of the countryside is muddy, pooey, cold, wet, sometimes painful, tiring and constantly involves what many ‘townies’ view as cuddly little animals being killed.
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The issue isn’t killing an animal for food, its about killing it for “sport”. This kind of blood sport is wrong, barbaraic and unnecessary. I am a meat eater and love meat and am all for killing an animal in the name of food, but these foxes are not killed for that purpose. They are purposely chased for many miles before being torn to shreds by dogs, for the pleasure of their masters. It is a pathetic argument to bring up “vegetarians” or others who have “never lived on farms” etc, its a pointless and jurassic form of hunting that has no purpose other than killing time.
The conservatives can take their fox hunting ban and f off.
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meant to say petition*
David Cameron is keeping very quiet on this subject as are the media and amazingly the Labour party .A vote winner staring them in the face and they all ignore it .
Killing any animal for sport and entertainment is disgusting .If they are such a pest why do hunts have to breed them to be torn apart by dogs? .Why are spare cubs fed live to the hounds ?.If hoodies did this they would be thrown in prison Why arent the people who do this treated the same.David Cameron is conning the voters and frankly anyone who condones hunting is showing the rest of us just how barbaric and ignorant the Conservative party really is .Gordon Brown may not be the worlds greatest showman but he is basically honest .The Conservative con men are pulling the a bloody foxes skin over the public’s eyes disguised as a blanket of scruples. How Cameron will tell his kids what huntsmen do is beyond me and it should be beyond him too.His wife should stop selling fancy handbags and look after her children and bring them up to respect all life ,not the bits that suit them. .Sometimes I am ashamed of our media and our politicians .A conservative politician came on the radio telling us the first job the conservative government would do is reintroduce fox hunting .So far he is the only one I have heard but dont they have more pressing matters to deal with than showing the world what a bunch of cruel cowardly animal killers we are .I was under the false assumption that the economy was in shreds or is that another blood stained lie.
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Martin F. I couldn’t agree more, when will the Tories come to understand that the vast majority of the British public do not want this barbaric activity restored, this is supposed to be a democracy ( the will of the people and all that). This proves to me that the conservatives havn’t listened at all, they are they same self centered nasty bunch of self important morons they always were. Why do you think you have been out of power for 3 elections and are barely ahead in this one. If after the Iraq war and the economic crisis you are only ahead of the Lib Dems by 3 points it shows that the public have no real desire for you at all.
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ian – i refer you to my comment above – why should people who have no link or association with hunting be allowed to force its end?
To be honest though, whether there is a ban or not – regardless people will carry on doing it, so sorry guys. We in the country get fed up with town people bossing us around in all areas.
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That’s a false argument and you know it.
I’m not involved in child prostitution, but think as a responsible member of British society I have a right to say I don’t want to see child prostitution legalised.
Do you disagree with this stance?
Or should only those involved in child prostitution be allowed to debate the rights and wrongs of child prostitution?
BTW I don’t think the British public have a problem with you riding around the countryside on horses with your dogs as long as you don’t kill foxes. So having a fake hunt is fine and if as some have argued this is about building a community etc… what’s wrong with a fake hunt that doesn’t end in killing a fox? Why does a fox have to die (or potentially die, they can escape the hunt after all)?
Remember fox hunting is not an effective form of controlling foxes, for starters hunts are known to breed foxes and feed foxes so there are foxes available for their hunts. If it were purely pest control and not a blood sport for fun the last thing a hunt would do is create a new home for more foxes and feed them!
David
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Fox hunting is morally, socially and ethically wrong. No amount of weak argument about how it benefits the countryside and the culture that’s sprung up around it changes these facts.
Hunting another animal in this manner where it’s terrified and chased for hours on end, and then killed in the most vile and barbaric manner, in the name of sport, is what most decent British find utterly repugnant.
This “sport” has no place in any decent civilised society, and especially not in the UK, where a clear majority of the electoral voters have exercised their right to ban it.
This is why you cannot trust a word David Cameron says or his party. Let’s get one thing clear, he pretends to be the “man of the people”, representing the ordinary working class voter, when he fact he’s an Oxford educated multi-millionaire aristocratic twat who gets his party and election campaign funding from the rich aristocrat cronies
who are the main benefactors of the Conservative party. They always have been and always will be.
This is David Cameron’s personal favour to them in return for getting his party into power. Are you going to stand by and let them get away with it?
I know I’m not.
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In referance to Charlie Whitcombe’s comment, i suppose you would be in favour of the Luddite movement as well.
no.
people’s issue seems to be cruelty.
it comes down to practicality – it is cruel to keep animals cooped up and treat them badly in captivity.
it is also wrong to hunt wild animals that are endangered, for example, whales.
however, i say again, these are wild animals that live free lives and are killed in no more a cruel way than that dished out by nature itself.
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What a load of tosh! Who care about the sad foxes anyway? there are far more important issues to deal with like anti- social behaviour, speeding drivers, victims of crime, child abuse etc…..
STUFF the foxes!
Ignoring the stuff the foxes part, you make a valid point.
There are far more important things for parliament to deal with over the next 5 years, so why do the Tories plan to waste valuable debating time on the fox hunting ban that even if they get it through will almost certainly result in discontent across the country and generate petitions that will result in even more debate on banning hunting again since the Tories plan to debate any petitions that get 5% of the countries support?
If the Tories get the ban repealed I’ll start a petition the same day and if this website continues to rank well for pretty much any content I add to it (I’m a search engine optimisation expert, it’s my business) I’ll get hundreds of thousands of people to at least view a page that links to the petition (like the general election poll on the right menu with 100,000 votes).
David
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Ok, let us get some facts right for the ‘townies’.
Foxes are predators that when they cannot find sufficient food will attack farm animals such as Chickens, Ducks, Geese, Small Lambs etc and if you research the whole matter of Fox Hunting you will discover that a Pack of Hounds CANNOT catch a fit healthy young fox and they only catch the old, the sick and the injured foxes – the ones more likely to attack livestock on a farm.
This method of a ‘hunt season’ has actually protected the Fox as a species otherwise it would have simply been erradicated as a ‘pest’ and would have been lost forever.
The Hunt ensures the continuation of foxes, it creates jobs and security for people that often do not have the best education in rural areas, it brings children into an understanding of why we kill animals for food, culling etc.
Since the ban, I notice in my local area the ‘townies’ are now complaining about the number of their pet rabbits, guinea pigs etc disappearing to foxes as they move into the towns looking for food because the population is no longer being managed…
If you think Banning Hunting is cruel, go and watch how they kill the Lambs for your Chops or Cattle for your Steak!!!
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I never thought fox hunting would be a big issue on my site, only used it as an example of how retreaded a particular Tory policy was.
Lets assume for arguments sake that everything you say is true.
Currently the law states you can hunt foxes on horse back with hounds, but the kill can’t be with the dogs, you can shoot the fox (or let it go I guess).
So the only part of the hunt the 2004 hunt ban changed was at the end of a hunt the dogs are not allowed to rip a fox to pieces while it is still alive.
I’m lost to understand why this one limitation on your countryside activities that apparently as someone who lives in a town** I can’t understand, so please make us understand why you need the kill?
Do you really need to see a fox killed by dogs to foster a sense of community in the countryside? If you do, what is wrong with you!!!
** I have lived in a rural area and my entire childhood was spent in fields and woods interacting with nature and I loved every minute of it: in good weather I’d be walking the country side up to 8 hours a day (sometimes longer). I used to collect birds eggs and I used to shoot birds (basically any bird I got in my scope) with an air rifle for fun and occasionally go hunting rabbits, pheasants, pigeons with a shotgun, (tried fishing, but found it boring) that was up until I was about 15 when I realised both the illegal activities (collecting birds eggs and shooting birds for ‘sport’) were wrong! I don’t have a problem with shooting a rabbit etc… to eat it or even shooting a fox if it is a pest to a farmer.
I’ve not lived on a farm, but I have lived in a rural area and I have killed animals for fun before I knew better. I’ve also shot rats on a farm, though that wasn’t for fun.
David
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People who say “oh this not important anyway” you’re totally missing the point. This is very important. And you’re right it’s not because of foxes, it’s because the Tories are being deceitful and walking all over the democratic process.
This also serves to show clearly where the Tories stand when it comes to animal welfare issues that the public has clear moral opinions out. They’re willing to put money, and their own interests, above those of animal welfare and the will of the voting public.
What laws will they repeal next, lab testing on primates? if some pharmaceuticals offer them enough money perhaps?
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