This websites 2010 General Election poll has received over 1,000 votes for the BNP (British National Party) and hundreds of supporting comments from BNP supporters who argue (amongst other things) that the BNP are no longer (or has never been) a racist political party. That sort of discussion isn’t really what I created the general […]
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To say this is an open discussion and i empisize the word discussion it seems some people on here are very one track minded towards the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY (YES NATIONAL NOT NAZI). (Which may i point out is in now way connected to the Independent German Workers Party more commonly known as the Nazi party) Some people on here try to force peoples opinions to move away from the BNP, its controlling like this which HAS to stop. The labour party has controlled this country so much that im suprised we still have free thinking, because in NO WAY do we have free speech. Were not allowed to smoke in public places such as bars and pubs etc yet they did not concider the knock on effect of the landlords/ladys and club owners ever since the smoking ban MANY pubs and clubs have closed down due to lack of custom and unemployment. Also the raising of tax, WHAT FOR? Just so they can sit there in their nice 5 bed detached house and place cigs and alcohol onto their expenses? (which is actually THEFT try walking into your local store and getting a pack of cigs, newspaper and toilet roll and say “Hey, Don’t worry my expenses will cover it.” the store guard or shop owner will call the police.) Personally i think this is outragous. And the ongoing war in Iraq (which may i remind you all it is being covered for by yet again TAXES) has to stop its a never ending fight young boys are dying al for a meaningless cause Labour lied about the WMD however if BNP were in power and OUR Countries troops were sent over seas to fight another counteries battle under false cause people would have sniffed this out before the first troop got onto the plane and Nick would be in prison held against the geneva convention unlike the labour party which have gotten away scott free yet again. This is why I AM voting for the BNP conservative had a chance and blew it Labour has had far too many im giving my vote to someone who actualy deserves it.
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“some people on here are very one track minded towards the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY”
I couldn’t agree more, take your comment that does nothing but trash the Labour party and Conservative party even though the BNP would be no different, in fact I’d argue worse, since the BNP is filled with lying criminals (the BNP leader is a convicted racist).
Talk about one tracked minded, just looking at the BNP through rose coloured glasses.
You say the BNP has no affiliation with the Nazis, yet the founder of the British National Party had Nazi/fascist ideologies, you can even find pictures of him online wearing Nazi uniforms in front of a Nazi Swastika!
I find it hard to believe people would join an openly racist/white supremacists/Nazi/fascist/anti-semitic political party like the BNP (which it was when it first formed as a splinter group from the National Front: I take it they are misunderstood choir boys!), but now it no longer supports those abhorrent racist/white supremacists/Nazi/fascist/anti-semitic views openly, even though it’s run by the same people that was running it when it was openly racist/white supremacists/Nazi/fascist/anti-semitic.
So we are to believe all those people that have been part of the BNP for over a decade have all changed their views at the same time?
The BNP leaders that used to be racist/white supremacists/Nazi/fascist/anti-semitic politically speaking are now changed, they are:
No longer racist.
No longer white supremacists.
No longer supporting Nazi ideologies.
No longer supporting fascist ideologies.
No longer anti-semitic or holocaust denying.
People like Nick Griffin are reformed characters just looking to make Britain a better place to live for anyone that’s not Muslim or an immigrant and that’s preferably white or agrees whites and non whites really shouldn’t have children together as it messes up the white race genetic purity.
Yep, I’m convinced, I don’t understand why anyone would doubt the British National Party, for feck sake, it’s got British in it’s name so HAS to be on the level!
David
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Even IF they are “lying criminals” (which the majority of government partys are anyway) atleast they are not robbing us blind JUST like the labour party are and have been. No i am not looking at the BNP through rose coloured glasses im looking at the bigger picture, ever since Enoch Powell took the first stand AGAINST the Conservative party HE and anoyone that followed him was classed as a racist such as people do with the BNP today. How ever i DO admit SOME of the BNP members (not of the political party itself) are racists however some arenot some (like me) just want to give a different party a fighting chance against the oppressors.
“you can even find pictures of him online wearing Nazi uniforms in front of a Nazi Swastika!”
By all means link us all to this picture concidering its amazing what you can do with Photoshop nowdays.
“No longer racist.
No longer white supremacists.”
As said before SOME of the members that SUPPORT the political party are racist some ARE NOT however i can not say for the political party its self as unfortunatly i have not met them yet.
“No longer supporting Nazi ideologies.”
This has to be the most utter rubbish i have heard about the BNP. So in your opinion the BNP does the goosestep while saluting at a 45 degree angle shouting “sieg heil” also the BNP and party follwers kill jews, blacks, asains and any other race, creed or religion that isnot to their standards? This must be a dark dark world we live in concidering i have never seen any behaviour of this sort apart from a few documentaries (minus the killing for tv) on telly and WW2 movies
“No longer anti-semitic or holocaust denying.”
Yet again related to the one previous and i have never heard ONE person the the whole of my life (including some of my fellow bnp supporters)DENY that the holocaust happend.
“People like Nick Griffin are reformed characters just looking to make Britain a better place to live for anyone that’s not Muslim or an immigrant and that’s preferably white or agrees whites and non whites really shouldn’t have children together as it messes up the white race genetic purity.”
Just like the some other countries around the world south africa for one Robert Mugabe wants africa for the africans hardly anyone is botherd in the slightest about this however when it comes to Nick Griffin wanting Britain for the British everyone badgers Nick and any BNP member or supporter as a racist isnt Robert a racist too? Is HE also racist/BLACK supremacists/Nazi/fascist/anti-semitic?
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John Tyndall founder of the BNP, Jailed for six months for training neo-Nazis, Jailed after being caught with a gun and bullets, not exactly a nice bloke!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/20/otherparties.thefarright
You can see the image of John Tyndall dressed like a Nazi in front of a Nazi Swastika and picture of Adolf Hitler at
There’s other copies of the image online, though I guess you’ve already made up your mind of this one, it’s a Photoshop image right.
I’m not that concerned at what the BNP members believe, of course some will be racist just like come on all the other parties will be racist. I’m concerned at the BNP candidates who want to be our MPs, MEPs and councillors. People like Nick Griffin who was convicted of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.
This is the person you want as our Prime Minister, you must be a nutter to want a twisted person like him as our PM!
Nick Griffin denies the holocaust on TV, his own word:
And
Nick Griffin denied the Holocaust in issue 12 of a publication called “The Rune” and that issue led to Griffin’s conviction in 1998 of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.
He was given a nine-month prison sentence suspended for two years.
During the trial (at Harrow Crown Court in 1998 27th April to 1st May) he said:
It’s a fact he denied the holocaust and one of the times is on video. So please don’t post total BS on my site that Nick Griffin is a stand up British guy, he’s an awful person who has no respect for the dead (or living for that matter).
Good news is the BNP are struggling to gain any mainstream support and will almost certainly not gain an MP at the general election. Worst thing the BNP could have done was try to get into the mainstream media (Question Time) as British people have seen what a bunch of racist, holocaust denying morons the BNP are and would never vote for them in great numbers. Previously the BNP at least had deniability factor, no one talked about them on TV so British voters didn’t really know what they stood for and would vote for them as a protest vote not realising they were voting for racist scumbags. Now I think they’ll switch their protest vote to a party like the Green party where the vote is still a protest, but it’s a safe protest.
David
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the holocaust did happen but it wasnot 6 million jews do the math
at the begining of ww2(1939) there was 7 million jews
then allegedly there was 6 million jews killed
after the end of ww2(1945) there were 5 million jews
7-6=5??????
not in my effin maths it dont
“the holocaust did happen but it was not 6 million jews do the math”
Care to provide evidence for those numbers Jake?
The above article has references.
Small part of the article:
6 million appears to be a conservative estimate!!!
David
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BNP ARE RACIST END OF!!!
I April 20th 1968 when Enoch Powell delivered his “Rivers of Blood” speech to a Conservative Association meeting in Birmingham people thought he was mad, called him “racist” he lost his job but he has been proved right, he said that this country would be more less taken over by foreigners, it’s all happening what he said would happen, we have Euro fanatic MPs, billions of pounds of tax payers money given away to third world countries, I wonder how much of Brown’s own money he donates, BNP get my vote.
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Just to undermine some spurious opinions held by some anti-BNP commenter’s on this website, not all BNP supporters are “knuckle dragging idiot[s].” I have obtained a Masters and a honours degree in English from a prestigious university and am currently working towards my PHD (and before the class rant begins I was raised in a working class home in Cornwall and have achieved all my qualifications through hard work) and I thoroughly intend to vote BNP…as do many of my highly educated friends. We are merely frightened to ‘admit’ this in polls etc. as we fear being branded racists for holding views that oppose what is currently considered acceptable (and let us not forget that these communally held values are vulnerable to being upturned.) Unfortunately we now exist in a society which is permeated with political propaganda and whilst I acknowledge BNP have had scurrilous characters in their ranks I do not believe that any of the major parties are without their own embarrassing members who have committed racist/sexist or generally ignorant acts.
I intend to vote BNP as I feel it is important for Britain to remember why we decided to add the prefix ‘Great’ to our name and that we should remember both our past achievements and mistakes. I am not racist, but I do believe that certain cultures are less aspirational and productive than others, I also agree with David that there are many white members of our society who are merely milking out generous socialist system, (Also a society which panders to the minority at the penalty of the majority is, in my opinion, not a democracy but that is another story…) However their forefathers fought for this country and as such they should be given help to improve their situation in life, not through benefits but through genuine inspirational teaching when young. The influx of immigrants to Britain who cannot speak English, obey a religion which holds extraordinarily intolerant views of women and animals and who partake in cultures which idolise idleness are not only abusing our NHS, benefit and housing systems but are also spreading their culture of disillusion to the aforementioned white ‘sub-culture.’ I feel my opinion is evidenced by the lack of racism directed towards cultures/races such as the Chinese who are stereotyped as hard-working and open and receptive to British society and culture.
I anticipate a barrage of insults…Begin!
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No insults from me! Well reasoned post.
If only all the Ethnic/Indigenous peoples of OUR country/countries, would wake from slumber, open their eyes to the ENORMOUS damage ALL immigrants have done to OUR lands.
And then if they could see behind the brainwashing from government and the media.
Just ask the one question… do you really want YOUR English children or their children and children’s children growing up in a muslim country, being treated the way the muslims treat their own (sharia law etc)… Think about it, is that what you really want lib/lab/con?
That’s the way it’s going we are being out-bred and displaced (think of all the “no-go” areas for whites already) and now they are infecting parliament.
The flood gates are open, IT HAS TO STOP!
BNP are our only credible chance for REAL positive change at the moment.
Thank You
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“Just ask the one question… do you really want YOUR English children or their children and children’s children growing up in a muslim country”
No I don’t want to live in a Muslim country which is why I live in Britain still.
Let me ask you a question. What’s the current percentage of Muslims living in Britain?
Based on the percentage how will Muslims become the majority in the future?
Please post references for your statistics.
If you don’t know the answer to these questions backed up by fact, not BNP propaganda, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
I await your response with eager anticipation.
David
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Indigenous peoples need to wake up and drive out the immigrants? I agree lets drive the saxons, angles and normans out of this country so us celts can live in peace. Whoever supports the BNP are absolute idiots. Polish people and other eastern Europeans are taking our jobs? Well they haven’t taken mine cause I’m good at it and not too lazy to go out and find work. Stop blaming other people for your problems and get off your lazy a**es. Ignorant Tossers!!
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“We are merely frightened to ‘admit’ this in polls etc. as we fear being branded racists”
You really think pollsters care if you vote BNP or not beyond the poll they are paid to canvas for? So if a pollster stops you in the street and asks who you’ll vote for, you’ll say something other than BNP even though that person will probably never meet you again!
Yet, plenty of BNP supporters are quite happy to comment on my site and similar online sites where if I (or the owner of those domains) wanted to could easily track some of you down through the IP addresses you post comments via. NTL/Virgin customers for example can be pinpointed to the street and house number if you know what you are doing (it’s not hard). I’ll add I have no interest in knowing where a BNP supporter lives, only thing I care about is they are individuals and not posting under multiple user names.
Anyway, lets assume fear to tell pollsters you vote BNP is true for a minute, this would suggest the true BNP support is much higher than shown by various polls right?
I assume if someone is afraid to say they vote BNP in a poll they will actually vote BNP in an election where it’s anonymous, reasonable assumption right?
Why has the BNP support been falling since the 2009 EU elections?
They’ve lost every by-election and have lost council seats as well. As I understand it they’ve lost all their deposits in recent by-elections: you pay £500 to stand in a general election type election (including by-elections) and if a candidate doesn’t get 500 votes, they don’t get their £500 deposit back.
This points to support for the BNP not growing, but falling since Nick Griffin went on Question Time (I think that did a lot of damage to the BNP cause). I guess we’ll know for sure in May after the general election what the real BNP support is, though I suspect when the BNP loose badly, (I don’t think they’ll get one MP) there will be various BNP conspiracy theories about postal vote rigging etc…
David
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“You really think pollsters care if you vote BNP or not beyond the poll they are paid to canvas for?” – Perhaps not the pollsters but as recent debate has shown there are people who hold the opinion that members of the BNP should not be teachers/police etc. Whilst I would never consider becoming a member of any political party (as I vote on the policies they hold at times of election not on the parties general principles as I believe this unquestioning alliance has led to much complacency in the leading parties) I do resent being branded a racist if I ever happen to mention my intended vote, this flagrant discrimination is just as unfair as racism itself and, in my opinion, does nothing more than drive BNP voters into a marginalised position in society which is another antagonism.
As you rightly affirm David support does appear to have gone down, and perhaps it has, my posts are based on my opinions alone, I prefer not to rely on statistics as they are so easily manipulated or simply misinterpreted. (If interested please read the article on freepost entitled “One third of us wil be Elvis Impersonators” which discusses the recent “experts” statistic that suggests by 2019 one third of us will be Elvis impersonators!)
I am aware that BNP will likely lose seats in the next election but I do not feel that this should mean that I should be forced into voting for one of the two parties which have any chance of being in power after the next election (just another way of dictating to us in this Labour enforced “Nanny State”). In some ways my voting for the BNP is less to get them into power and more to show my contempt for the main parties, whose views are almost entirely identical, and to highlight problems which BNP addresses such as immigration and pensioners rights.
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“Perhaps not the pollsters but as recent debate has shown there are people who hold the opinion that members of the BNP should not be teachers/police etc.”
I’m aware of the issues with being a member of the BNP and a member of the police force etc…, but that wasn’t what you said. You said BNP voters don’t say they will vote BNP in polls (nothing to do with an employment issue) which if you are right suggests polls do not show the true support for the BNP, yet recent elections have shown the polls are about right.
Like you I’m not a member of a political party, and have no plans to join one. I’ve never donated money or time to one either, though only put significant time into researching politics since creating this website less than a year ago (who knows what I’ll do in the future).
I don’t assume you are racist because you vote BNP, I own https://www.free-funny-jokes.com/ which has racist jokes and has been over run by racist commenter’s (real racism, majority from the US, they seem to think anything on the Internet is about them apparently!). Many would assume I’m a racist for owning that site and allowing the racist comments. Truth is my business is making money online and there’s a LOT of people searching for racist jokes (the controversy makes me money: about £300 a month) and secondly (and I’ll admit not the primary reason for allowing the racist comments) I believe strongly in free speech and as long a joke is meant as a joke what’s the problem? The comments on that site have got out of hand.
If you think about it redneck jokes are basically white racist jokes, dumb blonde jokes are white racist jokes, Irish jokes, though not a race the Irish do tend to be white so again… A heck of a lot of funny jokes are discriminating against one group or another, but it’s only the race jokes that seem to cause offence. It’s a shame there aren’t many funny white jokes (white jokes are rubbish), I find redneck jokes really funny though.
I’m not exactly politically correct :-)
So don’t assume a person like me will assume you are a racist for voting BNP, I wouldn’t assume you are racist if you made a racist joke, some of the stereotypical racist jokes are quite funny, not my taste generally, but takes all sorts.
I fully appreciate a lot of British people are drawn to the BNP due to a perceived lack of a political party that’s different to the main three parties, especially on immigration where historically the main three parties have been weak or if you want to be kind, very slow to act.
My problem isn’t with the million people who voted BNP at the EU election, (most won’t be racist, prejudiced against immigrants, yes), my issue is with the BNP candidates and leaders like Nick Griffin, Mark Collett and many others within the BNP who if they gain power will have a say over parliament and even more of a concern say over local council issues: I’m far more concerned at local council results than the election when thinking about the BNP, if Nick Griffin became an MP, big deal, no one would listen to him (like they don’t listen to him in Europe as an MEP), but on councils the BNP can have a really negative effect on race relations at local level!
The people behind the BNP have shady racist pasts and I suspect are still deeply racist: they hide it quite well and tend to go on religious discrimination now against Muslims/Islam which is apparently more acceptable, religious intolerance is better than racism!!
I just can not understand how a non racist person would risk voting for a party that has it’s roots in racism (that’s a fact that can not be ignored) as a protest type vote, I don’t get it.
Not enough people vote as it is without making protest votes. A lot of seats have independents these days, maybe looking into one in your area to see what they stand for might be a better way to make protest vote: I think half a dozen independents like Joanna Lumley (I wouldn’t vote for her, but still) would be a wake up call for the main political parties, but I don’t see it happening on a large scale because of our first past the post political system.
I’m drawn to voting Lib Dems this time, I think a hung parliament with the Lib Dems forcing electoral reform for their support could be good for the country. Where I live voting Lib Dems hands the seat to the Conservatives since the Lib Dems have little support in my area, so I have to vote Labour as a negative vote to keep the Conservatives out.
If we had proportional representation I’d vote Lib Dem’s, if we had the alternative vote I’d vote Lib Dems 1, Labour 2.
David
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RawrRawr
Yours is one of the constructive comments I have read, obviously an indication of your level of education. However, I want to take you back to this comment. You write, and I quote that “I do believe that certain cultures are less aspirational and productive than others”… what would you call this stament if not racist??? To judge a particular culture from this perspective is to make a moral judgement about them based on their race. You forget that almost all major races have produced Nobel laureates, an indication that people from all races can compete in terms of aspiration and productive. Sadly, you are one academic who makes judgements about what races are better or more receptively british based on “cultural sterotypes”
I agree that there have been negatives from migration. But there have been positives as well. My impressions were similar to yours prior to my trip to Africa where I saw firsthand, a very good number of our own people settled (and doing the worse things you could think, working for and controlling opressive and exploitative oil company activities). Some of our own people there condemn what some of ours are doing as well. The issue here is not weather people from outside are a problem, it is how to check problems that people cause. We are quick to blame the other for our own failings. Take a trip, travel out and see how globalized the world is now, then you will understnd, like I have done, that immigration is the problem is people are willing to tolerate and work together. Sad to say, but this why America has continued to be a world leader, and China has learnt a truth we had the opportunity of using to our advantge but never did. While we went to exploit and use Africa, China is offering them their hand of partnership…we could have done this but we never did! I am not talking about offering aid before you take on this line of arguement, I am talking of investment and related partneship. Travel out Rawr Rawr, the world is no longer about Great Britain, the world is about everyone nowadays, it is called GLOBALISATION! People live and reside everywhere in the world and our people are everywhere as well, lets accept this but I agree with you, lets find ways to curb excesses so we maximize the gains of globalisation and avoid any negatives
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I would say that the BNP are racist, even if their policies have been toned done in recent years. Even if the BNP as an institution don’t promote racism as a whole, there is unrivalled evidence to suggest that the BNP has a very racist following (Not that i’m suggesting all BNP followers are racist, because i’m not)
The trouble I have with the BNP is that, whether or not they’re racist, they’re also very prejudiced in other areas, particularly homophobia. The BNP is a very homophobic party, and homophobia should be tolerated under any circumstances. Regardless or not of whether BNP members are openly homophobic, the BNP policies such as “returning homosexuality” to the closet” and re-introducing Section 28 are homophobic and are designed to marginalise homosexuals. I think anybody who considers themselves against homophobia should not be voting BNP.
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yes i believe that the BNP are racist. Its sad to think that the only way nick griffin can get a wee bit of power is to play on the white card. get over your insecurities. The day the BNP get elected to this country is the day i leave and IMMIGRATE to somewhere else…preferably somewhere nice and hot and sunny with some great beaches…and lots a sexy blokes:-) ha:-)
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almost every party have racists within them. I was involved in politics for 30 years and came across it with one or two members of the Conservative party and I knew two Laour councillors who were racist. I have also seen it within the LibDems so yes, of course some of the BNP will also be ultimately racist. However, not all of them should be tainted with the same brush. I won’t be voting BNP despite the current concerns over immigration purely because our current cabinet is full of ex marxists and Communists. They can hardly call the BNP racists/fascists without risk of being labelled Commies because, as the saying goes, a leopard never changes it’s spots and Communists are just as extreme as Fascists. The party with the most support against communist Labour is undoubtedly the Tories which is why it is important to me to vote COnservative. There are many BNP members who are not racists just as there are many non racists in all parties. The main thing that I have noticed is that UKIP tend to be ex tories, whereas BNP supporters tend to be ex Labourites. the old middleclass and workingclass divide at work yet again. The key to the success of such parties would ultimately be an agreement or alliance of sorts which would bring both classes together with a commin goal. I am a socialist at heart but cannot bring myself to vote Labour at the present time. Time and time again Labour governments have screwed up the economy because of their rate of borrowing and then expecting the poorer working classes to dig deep in order to bail them out that in my opinion is not what a working class party is all about and generally speaking the Tories have had good records with economic growth. The other danger I foresee when it comes to a communist style government is that most extremists dream of a one party state and this can be achieved with mass immigration. Despite the fact that the Tories need a collossal increase in the polls in order to win New Labour know that under the present system it is still possible so for them a system of Proportional Representation coupled with mass immigration is ideal. In 20 years, should immigration continue to rise in the same manner we are told that an increase of 10 million is likely. These people will ultimately vote for Labour for letting them come here. add that to the current figures of those that already vote as an overall figure and you get (based on 2005 figures) 19,562,122 Labour,8,772,598 Conservative and 5,981,874. This would literally create an irreversable one party state and currently with, on average, 5-8,000 eastern europeans in all the marginal seats this then keeps their heads above water to continue the current trend and target.
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