This websites 2010 General Election poll has received over 1,000 votes for the BNP (British National Party) and hundreds of supporting comments from BNP supporters who argue (amongst other things) that the BNP are no longer (or has never been) a racist political party. That sort of discussion isn’t really what I created the general […]
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I believe the BNP aren’t racist because all they are saying is that we should be proud of our Heritage, and Say no to Multiculturalism and stop immigration unless It beneficial to us and the Country.
I do not know if the BNP are completely racist or not as I do not know all the members and have not been to any of there meetings(perhaps that is my next step) if they are it is no more than the Federation of black only police officers(to name just one)some of there policies are twisted by people, Nick Griffin never said he wanted all immigrants out, he just dos’nt want this open door policy were people just come here to live of us(neither do I)Queueing up at france which is not the first safe EU country they reach, it has to stop somewhere already we are heading towards being a minority in our own country.
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I have never made Nick Griffin out to be any sort of saviour to the country, all I point out is, what state will the country be in with another 5years of labour, everybody is pouring into the country, there is no border controls to speak of, they have our troops fighting a war which is nothing to do with us, the Talaban have never been a threat to us it’s the home grown terroist who hate us but they don’t mind taking the money what generations of Britons have paid into the system along with decent immigrants who want to integrate and not set up there own communities in our country
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Who cares? The word “racist” was an invention by Trotsky. Obviously, the BNP is the only party that cares about the indigenous inhabitants of the UK. I think the English are very fortunate to have them. I laugh in the faces of the anti-BNP facist drones if the best they can come up with is to call BNP members “racist.”
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Racism is a form of discrimination, even if you don’t accept the word racism, the BNP still want to discriminate against various sectors of British society.
Now you might not mind that they plan to discriminate against non-Christians, but as a non-Christian I do.
They also plan to discriminate against non-whites, despite being white I have a problem with that as well.
A political party should not discriminate against anyone.
If you don’t care about this sort of thing, you can’t be a very nice person not caring about your fellow man.
I pity you and other BNP supporters like you, to not have compassion for others, very, very sad.
David
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david
this land belongs to the brittons, govenment members are our slaves not the other way around as they think
all labour members need hanging for treason to this land
we dont want imigrants,you talk alot but know nothing matey
iv spent a lot of time in easternblock europe inside the real countries(the underbelly side) drugs,arms,murder are away of life ruled by mafia,the police do nothing but give out speed tickets, i saw a man getting kicked to death in the street while 3 policemen stood 100 yards away and watched
i stepped in to stop it,no im no hero but im against gangs beating someone up in any country
do you want this here in every street,because believe me it will happen unless we get out of the eu
and if bnp are the only ones to do this then i will vote for them and if necessary fight the govenment in any way needed
dont say well our police will be different and stop this from happening because all those countries said the same
if you want rape,murder,drugs,gangs ruling this country then vote for labour/con.lib
you will regret it when you finally wake up from your fairytail
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The real fairy tale is what you and other BNP numpties keep posting on my site.
You have posted multiple times about the underbelly of the Eastern block and crime blah, blah blah, you’ve made your point, it’s a load of BS, but you’ve made. Now move on to a new argument rather than keep saying the same thing over and over again or I’ll have to start deleting your comments.
BTW people are probably not responding because you sound like another BNP loony toon and an argument like yours damages the BNP far more than anything a UAF campaigner could do, so they leave you alone to do damage to your own cause.
How do you feel about the BNP taking over British land and businesses not owned by Britons? Any thoughts on how they plan to afford it beyond stopping the foreign aid budget which will apparently pay for every BNP policy they’ve ever thought of and ever will think of.
David
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thats the point of a man sat behind a desk only going abroad on holiday
as for business,well business is business
they paid their way into business and thats all good by me,but the other 99% of imigrants just here for social and health are bleeding us dry,this must be stopped
i have land abroad but i went with a pocket full of cash,gave people there jobs,i never went there wanting anything for free
they should make it harder to get in here like say a minimum of £25,000 in your account to enter that way they dont rob and scrounge off us to live
im not a lover of bnp but this imigration job they have is a good idea
infact personaly all govenment should be removed, everyone should vote in a modern electronic world on all subjects,because im certain very soon this country is going to grow a spine and fight for what is ours, i hope i live to see it and i will be one of the first inline to fight
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You obviously haven’t read the BNP manifesto or any policy beyond the BNP immigration policy.
From what you say you are a hard working British person who has gone to another country, started a business and worked hard bring wealth to yourself and jobs to others in another country.
If that’s the truth, well done, you are exactly the sort of person we need more of in Britain (around the world actually).
The reason I know you’ve not read the BNP manifesto is if you had as a businessman you’d never vote for the BNP.
IF you were a hard working immigrant business person from another country coming to Britain, started a business (just like you have) etc…, if the BNP gained power they say they plan to acquire that business because you aren’t an indigenous British person and shouldn’t own a British business or land!
Do you agree with this BNP policy?
The BNP would buy back shares in British companies not owned by British people and any they can’t buy they’ll take illegally (that’s how the BNP manifesto reads)!
Max as a British person would you have setup a business in whatever country you are in if a political party like the BNP was in power and planned to take over your business because you wasn’t born there?
If the BNP ever gained power it would scare foreign investors and business people (similar to you) away from Britain. This would cost us millions of jobs.
Do the research Max, read the latest BNP policies and the BNP 2007 manifesto. If you still support the BNP, I give up.
David
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i bought abroad because nothing here is worth buying right now until imigration is sorted out
if they get a bnp there and boot me out,so be it ill live with it and laugh it off like a real brit
then think good on that country for fighting for its people unlike our govenment
but they might think damn this outsider brought jobs to our people,hes not a scrounger
imigrants work here and send all money home to their own country, they come here with nothing or very little make lots and send it home
thats great business for their country but just bleeding our country dry
i grew up in ne england a mining family,tough times the 70s-80s, but we stood strong as brittons and got through it
looking back those times were tough but you knew your kids were safe and in a crowded street you knew most people, today its spot the brit in a pub bar or asda
this is not what i want for my kids and any one with a brain can see what labour have done to our country
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Sorry Max, but you clearly are as big an idiot as most of the other BNP supporters commenting on my site.
If you wouldn’t mind loosing the property/land you bought with your hard earned money, feel free to vote for an awful party like the BNP.
As an intelligent business man (I have a business) I’ll vote for one of the main parties who won’t completely ruin this country.
David
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I think you are all getting carried away with this BNP thing, lets take a look at the government, MPs fiddling expenses, so called upstanding MPs emailing the opposition parties families slagging them off, every time they make a speech it’s a pack of lies, parties are supposed to be united and work together towards a better Britain..is that what they do? all of them self serving, I learnt to spot a bull******* a long time back, maybe Nick Griffin is’nt all he is cracked up to be but why is everyone scared to give him a chance, he might be just what we need, God knows, them lot ar’nt.
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BNP Business policies are a joke.
Ignoring your first and last lines Max I agree with you. You do have to be brave in business and when you fail you have to get right back up and try again.
However, what has that got to do with a potential government setting up a business environment that encourages business to thrive in this country and a government that’s stated aims are to stop foreign investment which is a major source of British business funding?
You might not like that foreign money keeps British people in work, but the alternative is mass unemployment.
Do you want a government that encourages business or one that strangles it?
Do you agree with the BNP that foreign investment should stop?
How many reading this work at places like ASDA?
ASDA is owned by Walmart a USA company, if the BNP had their way we (Britain/British people) would some how take over ASDA and make it British owned.
Ignoring the fact that unless we stole ASDA and similar businesses from companies like Walmart there’s not enough money in Britain to pay for them all (the foreign aid budget won’t stretch that far :-)). Even if we did manage to buy them out legally, that means no more investment from those foreign investors into those companies they no longer own.
People working at ASDA will loose their jobs as investment dries up.
We’ve seen how badly governments run big business institutions in the past (railways, coal mines, water companies….) do you honestly believe the BNP have the economic prowess to do any better? Nick Griffin is a bankrupt ex business owner, he almost ruined his rich parents with his business ventures and you want him in charge of the economy!!!!
If you really are a businessman Max, you’d understand foreign investment is important to a country like ours (in fact any country).
The countries that embrace foreign investment have strong, flexible economies (not perfect by any means) and countries that block foreign investment at every turn (like the BNP say they will if they gained power) have stagnant economies and do badly.
Does it really matter who owns ASDA as long as ASDA employs 10s of thousands of British workers?
Yes, it would be great if British entrepreneurs owned businesses like ASDA, but they don’t, so lets make the best of the foreign investment and get as many of our people in work as possible.
China used to be like what the BNP plan to turn this country into (BNP’s economic policies are close to Communism, state owning/running everything they consider important!).
China used to have no foreign investment and their economy was third world and stagnant, although they had full employment, it wasn’t productive full employment. Factories would have a government quota to fill, once that quote was filled they stopped work!
This is not good business, even though they had full employment (people were employed to teach communism in the factories!) there was no reason for workers or businesses to work harder (it was discouraged!), there was nothing to gain personally. This resulted in very low productivity and people went hungry despite having the potential to rival economies like the USA and Europe.
China slowly opened it’s border to foreign investors and the Wests way of doing business was eventually embraced. China no longer has full employment (damn shame they didn’t keep the best of what they had), but with productivity/efficiency and personal profit a major factor in business, the economy started to thrive.
There’s a strong possibility as China’s economy grows it will surpass the USA as an economic force. This is both impressive and a little scary, though I think China has realised the ‘way to take over the world’ is through money.
And the BNP want Britain to become a lot like what China was before they opened their borders to foreign investors, protectionist, inward looking, no foreign investment and it’s people starving!
David
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iv nothing against foreign investment like myself
they take money into another country,thats all good.
but i dont where you live but here a lot of asdas workforce are imigrants,working partime and claiming somesort of social funds for family so they get free houses,no counbcil tax and still get paid
i agree bnp have issues to sort out on policies,but the first step is closing the flood gates to imigrants and getting rid of those already hiding here,that will save billions
all labour have done is lie and steal,take no regard to what we the people want,soon be a communist country if they dont get removed we will be a number
as a free man i will vote for bnp as they give us hope,give them a chance to help us before this country is ruined completely
we have taken foreign investment for years with the floodgates closed,im not saying a total ban is the right answer im saying if they have no money dont let them in,which accounts for atleast 80% of them
i got on a plane from bucharest last november with a friend to return home,
we were the only 2 brits on the plane,when we landed here another plane had landed, 500 orso people in the customs cue we were the only 2 brits still, and not one of them got stopped off customs
they were talking about an easy life in britain
this is wrong how many planes land a day i thought full of imigrants
at a guess i would say the real amount of imigrants in here is close to 8,000,000
most claiming bennefit or hiding(working elegally)
this is the FIRST step to a good britain by getting them out and closing the gates GO BNP
atleast with bnp we stand a chance
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Im not even old enough to vote yet but i take economics. I agree with Max, any idiot can see that if you have a large amount of people arriving in your country, recieving free housing, not having to pay taxes and automatically reciecing large amounts of benefits (just for being here!) then sending it all home then yes are economy overall is going to weaken. No i dont agree with the BNP on most of their policies but i agree that a filter system on immigration needs to be put in place.
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It’s another BNP myth (AKA BNP lie) that immigrants can automatically receive benefits when they enter Briton, it doesn’t work that way. the majority come here to work, but they work outside the tax system which means they do not fully contribute to our society. They also take jobs they are not entitled to (they shouldn’t be here).
If you are studying economics, take some time to do some research on our benefits system and you’ll see you and the BNP are wrong on that point.
For others just watch a few episodes of TV programmes like UK Border Force, they won’t even let immigrants in if they can’t prove they can afford to maintain themselves.
Now there’s a big hole in the student visa system that needs plugging. Student visa SCAMS are letting lots of so called students into the UK who have no intentions of studying, they are here to work.
I really do like the relatively recent law that business owners that hire illegal immigrants are given a fine of up to £10,000 per illegal. On the TV program UK border Force and similar they tend to give out a £5,000 fine per illegal quite a lot, and it’s quite funny seeing the business owners face when they realise they’ll be loosing £10,000 for hiring a couple of illegal immigrants part-time!
You know if the BNP really do want to help remove illegal immigrants why don’t they report them to the police etc…? If there are so many of them (didn’t the BNP say 3 million?) should be very easy to spot them in the various take aways etc…
David
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uk border force is a joke, they catch them then let them go, please mr.imigrant report back to us in 2 weeks to get deported
never to be seen again + they only show you them chasing a few work places-its a tv program trying to make customs look good LOAD OF BOLLOX
WELCOME back to the real world, theres a chinese next door to one of my shops, theres been over 20 chinese living in the flat above, i know they come in my shop only 1 can speak english they are there about a month then replaced by a new lot-0-iv reported this to the customs and they have been no where near the shop—good old customs they book a real englishman for having a few ciggs and they do f**k all else for this country
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I aggree Max, I watch UK border force, as soon as they are arressted they say they have no passport so they can’t be deported, they are bailed then never seen again, they find them in lorries turf them out, they are all laughing as though it’s all a game, back they go to France then they try again, when they do eventually get here we are stuck with them BNP would soon sort that farce out.
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Since I mentioned programs like UK Border Force first I also watch it occasionally and I don’t recall once seeing what you described.
When a possible illegal immigrant doesn’t have a passport they detain them and jump through hoops to prove where they came from then deport them. If they find their passport they deport them ASAP.
The only exception to this is if they try to claim asylum, then they have to jump through more hoops and in the meantime might be given significantly reduced benefits.
It’s far from a perfect system, but it’s not like you and the BNP describe it, so please get your facts straight. Stick to the facts, most reasonable people accept there’s an immigration problem, no need to blow it out of proportion with stupid BNP lies and exaggeration.
I will add one of the first documentaries I watched on illegal immigration had the immigration force stopping people in the street that acted suspiciously and when they confirmed they were illegal they let many of them go with instructions to report to Boston police station 2 weeks later!!! That must be over 5 years ago though and since then not seen it again in a TV program.
On a program like UK Border Force (don’t think it was that one) an adult man (he must have been 30 years old) claimed he was 15 and as a minor he had to go through the social services, they put him in foster care and he disappeared!
Like I said a far from perfect system, but it’s not a simple case of they let everyone go and our borders certainly aren’t wide open. I would say there are big gaps in it (student visas in particular) which is unacceptable and needs further fixing.
Seriously George what would you have us do with illegal immigrants as they are found trying to come from France through the Channel Tunnel?
If we imprison them for an extended period of time before sending them home (as a deterrent not to try again), we have to pay to keep them locked up which IMO would be worse than letting them in to work, cost to the country wise.
So please give us your LEGAL solution to this problem? Sinking immigrant filled boats is not a legal or valid solution.
David
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I have took on board what you have said David, fair comment, if that’s your views, you asked what I would legally do with the illegal immigrants,to be honest, I don’t know, but there must be someway to stop them flooding in, the strain it is putting on our services, housing, health etc. then you see in the paper a muslim single mother six kids by two different blokes living in a fashionable part of London in a big house on benifits, how are we supposed to feel when me, people like me, generations of us paid into a system watching people like that woman and her kids living a lifestye decent hard working people could never have, it’s come to a point when people have just lost all faith in the government, I believe Nick Griffin is the man to give this country a kick up the A*** which is what it needs all this PC bull**** rights for criminals..he gets my vote.
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With regards immigration I have similar concerns to you.
We have a very protective welfare system in this country, the NHS etc… that’s quite hard to fall through the gaps in comparison to places like the USA (I’d hate to be poor in the US!!!!) and many other countries.
This makes Britain a very appealing place to live for those who want to get on in life and I can understand why immigrants want to come here (streets paved with gold mentality, not true, but still).
Immigration is a double edged sword, on one hand we can acquire some of the best minds, skilled workers from around the world (good for the economy) that want to settle here (I think the UK is a great place to live).
On the other hand it also attracts unskilled workers who “take jobs” from our unskilled work force and as they aren’t highly skilled are unlikely to be highly paid and so are a drain on our limited resources.
I want more highly skilled, highly educated, hard working immigrants to emigrate to Britain, but I don’t want unskilled, poorly educated (hard working** or not) immigrants to emigrate here.
** I don’t have an issue with hard working unskilled workers, some people just aren’t cut out for skilled work and there are plenty of jobs that are unskilled, but we have more than our fair share of unskilled British born people as it is, so don’t need more! To some degree I’d swap some of our unskilled work force who in a country where it is possible to get a good education and training for free do nothing to improve their lot in life! For unskilled foreign workers who get off their arse and travel to another country to find work (at least they want to work and do better in life). Realistically we aren’t going to have a 1 for 1 sort of swap scheme :-) so we are left with not needing more unskilled workers and need to motivate ours.
Unfortunately our welfare system is setup in such a way that some (not all) of our unskilled British born work force are unwilling to take on low paid jobs. For example the Labour government made it difficult for the unemployed to take on low paid short term work, (seasonal farm work for example) this means employees who need flexible workers hire out of the country! There needs to be changes so an unemployed person can easily take on 6 weeks of work without it hurting their welfare benefits long term. An incentive along the lines of if a person doesn’t find some work in 18 months without a good reason their benefits are reduced. This would encourage the unemployed to take on short term work so they don’t loose benefits long term and reduce our need for unskilled foreign workers.
Some employees also have the perception (right or wrong) British born workers are unwilling/incapable of working hard at low paid jobs.
To some degree I think they are right, there is a culture in some of our young where they won’t do a particular job because they are better than that (even my eldest son had that attitude for a while, when he was 16-17 years old, now 18 at Uni working in a bar)!
We seem to be loosing the men work because that’s what men do and if you aren’t working you aren’t a man mindset. I don’t fully agree with that mindset, but at least it results in people wanting to work no matter what the job is.
I don’t think we can change the attitude of people with that mindset, we have to work on the next generation. However, government can make it hard on those who refuse to work when work is available and right now I don’t think they are doing enough.
BTW the BNP plan to force everyone to do national service, this isn’t all pick up a gun national service, but also work on farms for free national service! This would take work away from the employed and result in more unemployed people.
What Nick Griffin and the BNP are trying to do is mimic what Nick Griffin thinks Hitler did in the mid 1930s during the great depression (they all read Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler).
Nick Griffin will believe Hitler got the unemployed Germans to build the autobahn (German motorway system) before it was actually needed. Although Hitler took the credit for the autobahn (not his idea) and said it got the German people back to work, truth is it was slave labor (POWs etc…) that built the majority of the autobahn, the impact on German unemployment was minimal. Was good PR for the Nazi government propaganda machine though.
David
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I agree with most of what you say David in your recent posting and it’s all down to this government, 20yr olds were 7 when this goverment came to power, all they have known is families were no-one works, drinking, drugs all funded by benifits, thats what attracts these foreigners here, ok, a lot of them come here to work and better themselves but also there are a lot who don’t, we must be the only “Member State” in the EU who provide for outsiders in this way and I’m not being racist and it’s going to get worse under labour.
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If you vote BNP and they actually got in power (not going to happen this decade, but still) you are not getting better controls on immigration, but NO immigration at all.
That would be so bad for the country, it’s throwing the baby out with the bath water approach!
UKIP aren’t a choice for me either as they are a bit extreme as well on Europe and on other things, but at least their immigration policy takes into account the benefits of immigration and are open to allowing skilled workers in.
The BNP seem to think if they stop immigration, remove all illegal immigrants, bribe legal immigrants who have settled in Britain to leave the UK with big payments (could be over £50,000 a family to leave!!) ALL the countries problems will be solved over night. I don’t know where the BNP leadership live, but it’s not the Britain I live in, it’s not just immigrants that are causing the problems we have.
What the BNP say is total BS, for example most crime is committed by white people (the indigenous population), I’m white (born here) and as a teenager I was a right trouble maker, before leaving school I’d been in a detention center for a string of burglaries on businesses. I lost count the number of fights I had on a night out up until I was about 20, if someone looked at me funny I’d smash their face in (I enjoyed a good fight).
I grew up, got a University level education, family, run a business and consider myself a good example to my kids (what I am now, not then, then I was a chav).
To suggest all problems in Britain are because of the immigrants is retarded to say the least.
How can you vote for people with such warped ideas of Britain?
I’m not saying Labour or the Conservatives are fecking awesome either, but at least the majority of them don’t have totally warped ideas for our future like going back to what it was like in 1948!
Labour have failed miserably in many areas, curbing anti social behaviour and improving our kids education are to name two areas they’d messed up. Conservatives was no better when they were in power and if I had a real choice I’d not vote for either of them.
Liberal Democrats have never had power, so are an unknown quantity, so maybe if they had a chance, at least the Lib Dems don’t hold extreme views. All the rest have no chance of gaining power this term or probably next unless something dramatic occurs and they are a bit extreme: read the Greens policies and try not to say oh my God too many times! they’d have us all eating grass and massaging cows if they got in power :-)
George have you looked at all the BNP policies?
Tell me what’s wrong with the BNP Agriculture Policy:
Did you spot the contradictions?
David
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ok David, you say the “lib Dems don;t hold extreem views” well maybe we need a party with extreem views to deal with an extreem situation, wait while things get steadily worse, and they will, the three main parties have proved in what contempt they hold the man in the street the MP expenses scandle, can you believe the way Harriot Harmon waved that cheque around for 16 grand, she paid it back, like the others, so thats ok, thats our money they are helping themselves to and people are still going to turn up and vote for them, what do they have to do to us before you all see them for what they are, maybe Nick Griffin is a to extreem for leadership, who knows, but how can anybody pick between the 3 main parties, if Clegg got in we would lose the Falklands, they would soon have him sussed, like I mentioned on another of my postings, Cameron thinks repealing the fox hunting ban a priority, and Brown, the least said about him the better.
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give me the legal right to chase imigrants
if i cant get atleast 20 imigrants a day every day
ill deport myself
im that confident i can do this, look at the real facts the only people customs are out to get is your avarage brit coming off holiday with a few extra ciggs, now a untrained monkey can do that job
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